Re: General Chat: The Smashening

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:18 am

Ultimately Megas are too broad a class to judge as a whole. We can complain about Power Creep all we want but ultimately Char X and MMawile are in one class, Alakazam, Aerodactyl and Absol are in another, Banette is a great example of why Mega != Scary, and MGar/MKhan/MBlaz are in a tier of their own (with MLuc following closely behind). Asking for "no megas" is kinda like asking for "no legends"... it sounds fair up to a point until you realise what you ACTUALLY want is no overpowered Pokemon; you don't think about things like Articuno/Entei/MegaAmpharos/MegaBanette. And we have Pokemon whose regular, non legend forms are as good as decent legends and megas... just not as many of them due to the nature of being a legend or a mega.

In terms of a meta, if your team is being repeatedly swept by a Mega Mawile or Mega Charizard, the onus is kind of on you to change your team. Like in gen 4; you don't build teams that lose to Dragons if you want to do even remotely well. Nowadays you don't build teams that lose to MegaZards, Mawile, Pinsir, Aegislash, etc... it's the nature of the game to prepare for the biggest threats. Now, whether Zard X in particular has the *right* to be the biggest threat, that's up for debate... let's just say that after Aegislash is decided on there's gonna be a lot of angsty Charizard fans on the Smogon Facebook page. Charizard X is... pretty damn good.

In any case, Megas are only really a win condition against teams that don't prepare for them. Nowadays people on the ladder don't complain about Mawile or Charizard a whole lot because the assumption is made that you prepare for them appropriately. Like weather wars in gen 5! And also, you never need a mega just to counter a mega. That would be absurd and doesn't hold up to any kind of logic. So in that regard at least, a team does not have an inherent disadvantage against others for not running a mega, because Mega pokemon are best treated as individual Pokemon with their own strengths like any other Pokemon and not as a group (e.g. it'd be silly to say "why don't I use Heatran it is always always 100% bad to not use a Heatran it's just too good not to use", now replace Heatran with a particular Mega); Megas only really win out on a team slot against Pokemon they outclass (Mega Scizor > Scizor, Mega Char X > Salamence) or when you want to build a team around them. (Due to their typical strengths, though, they outclass quite a bit and are good things to build teams around.)

I didn't use a mega in the last year and my Haxorus team performed admirably - but I was consciously competing with Charizard X because it runs a better DD set than my Haxorus. But I or my team wasn't subpar because "I didn't have a mega". I was subpar because one of my Pokemon was outclassed by something which happened to be a mega. Purely coincidence, nothing to do with Mega status at all. And in any case, my team still had checks and counters to every single notable threat that exists.

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by ilikeoctopus Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:36 am

I see your point, D, and I admit that my dislike of megas has quite a strong basis in my frustration in trying to adapt to having them around. My current team usually does pretty well against megas (though that's not saying too much since I haven't spent nearly as much time with 6th gen meta as 5th) but I'm not great at preparing at every threat, so I do yearn for the simpler days.

I will try my best to adapt, but a common complaint against OU matches my own--that there are some Pokemon that are so widespread that many teams have to be cookie cutter in order to have a chance against the most common threats unless one can spend the time and effort to thoroughly plan a unique and unorthodox team, time and effort that I don't foresee myself having during the transition to college life.

My dream in 5th gen was to create a viable monopsychic OU team, and for the most part it went rather well. However, Tyranitar and Scizor were always common threats, and with the addition of those megas, it's been hard for me to create a reliable monopsychic team for 6th gen. As such, I've been harboring resentment towards megas for pushing me out of playing the metagame as I've always wanted to. (I do have high hopes for Megagross, though.)

Hopefully I can improve in the time that I have available and perhaps get over my dislike of mega evolutions. Since I've been less involved in the 6th gen meta than I'd like to be, I might need a lot of help in teambuilding...

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:34 am

That's quite alright Octi/Octo/Octiddly! :3 Among Smogon history fans, it's commonly known and accepted that gen 3 was the last generation in which a team could actually prepare for everything. To me, that seems really foreign and unknowable; how could you possibly have a team that accounts for everything? Madness! And gen 6, meanwhile, is hitting a point where it's known as "the generation of checks" - where you don't even counter most things. I certainly don't. You just check them. And with new forms of Priority, that is easier... and will get easier in that regard with every new set of moves and pokemon. But in that same way, each gen brings more Pokemon that have to be checked. It's a very fine balance. Personally, I thank Game Freak for the wonderfully balancing Talonflame and it's terrific stats. We need more of that kind of thing.

And of course should you ever need specific help with team building, we're all here. I try to follow a few basic steps:

1) Have idea/center of team. Usually around a team style (e.g Rain, Trick Room), a specific Pokemon (Haxorus, a Mega) or a core (of two/three Pokemon).

2) Decide on the first Pokemon (or the core Pokemon). These can be edited later but w/e

3) Identify that Pokemon's strengths and weaknesses (not just typing!). E.G Tangrowth likes pivoting; Pokemon that like pivoting are a good idea, but pivoting makes hazard control more important. Tangrowth has a valuable resistance to Ground; this makes it a good partner for offensive Pokemon weak to ground. (Hence Mega Manectric.) In the case of a core with multiple Pokemon, you go to the second part of the next step after identifying the basic traits.

4) Have a shortlist of Pokemon that go some way to complement those traits. Pick one/two, then identify the important traits that the two/three Pokemon have together.

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5) Try to add in the fundamentals. Hazard and Hazard control, mostly, but be aware that Sweepers of some sort and pivots/walls/tanks are also important team roles (that can be worked on as you go). Revenge Killers are best decided on after you have the rest of the team working.
When picking hazardy Pokemon (or working hazards into your previous Pokemon) always always refer to the traits you identified earlier. For example, on average, you don't want more than 2 of the same weaknesses on a team, and you don't want all of your Pokemon attacking/defending on the same spectrum. Item clause may be an issue, too.

6) Continue identifying "group traits" and "necessary single traits" (e.g. Haxorus NEEDS Skarmory surgically removed from a team to sweep) and swap in Pokemon that support them, continually. When you're hitting the 5 Pokemon mark you're probably gonna want to go through the viability rankings thoroughly and see what you definitely can't take out safely.

7) When you have a definite threatlist, start messing around with movepools/items/EV spreads (e.g. speed tiers, defenses) that help against those threats. Lure Pokemon might be an option here (e.g Head Smash Aegislash.)

Cool

Slap on a revenge killer/glue Pokemon for the final slot whose job is to provide additional cover against those scary Pokemon or situations! It shouldn't add any weaknesses to your team that you don't have covered already.

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9) Play test! And fix things as you go.

by Captain Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:37 am

I think I've spoken about my team before, but the whole philosophy behind my team is that I purely use Pokemon who I like, out of DESIGN alone. It does just so happen that it makes a pretty good team, but it's definitely possible to make a good team out of your favourites.

The team is Greninja (only OU I think), Infernape, Liligant, Scrafty, Donphan and Mega Aerodactyl.

Mega Aerodactyl isn't even that used, but I really like it, it does exactly what I need it to. It's actually the only Pokemon on my team that I didn't include out of love for design. Sometimes you need to sacrifice a bit to get a working team. The rest of my team has a gaping hole of a Flying weakness. I really, REALLY struggle to deal with Flying types, especially Talonflame. Donphan can tank a hit or two from a Brave Bird, and he has Gunk Shot as an unexpected strong move that dents the enemy reasonably well, but I can't rely on him to win by himself. That's why I put in Mega Aero. Aero can setup rocks, and he has Stone Edge.

Mega Venusaur also shrecks my team if I'm not careful, so I've got Aerial Ace and Taunt on my Mega Aero, as well as Extrasensory (Not Dark Pulse) on my Greninja, and I've even switched out Ice Punch on Scrafty for Zen Headbutt recently, because I was having problems with just two super-effective moves. Although if it's at about a third health, one Overheat from Infernape usually works.

And finally, I also frequently have big, big problems with Clefable. Even now. Only the Unaware Cosmic/Stored power set, mind you (because that set frequently also runs Moonblast, so Scrafty is FUCKED. The plan there is to combine Taunt on Mega Aero and Gunk Shot on Donphan. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Excadrill might be better than Donphan here tbh, but Idk, I love Donphan.

... I forgot the point of this post.

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:13 am

Haha, speaking as someone who also loves Donphan, I feel ya brah. Mind you... it would be a very very bad idea to bring up Donphan anywhere on Smogon. Donphan and Smogon don't...exactly...mix too well anymore. Long story short; things happened, and then they continued to happen long after they should have stopped happening.

In any case, the Viability Ranking thread is always a good read, though recently they've cracked down on exactly how large a niche has to be before getting ranked (e.g. before, Cloyster was a terrible Pokemon but was still usable once set up. Really difficult to get set up, but strong nonetheless. It was given a D rank because of that tiny little niche it had. Abomasnow, similarly, had a D ranking, as did Toxicroak (Rain sweeper) and Empoleon (Defogger with Scald and steel type). As of yesterday, those mons in D rank have been purged and now many previously C mons are considered D - e.g. Blissey (who would be good except is far, far far less useful than Chansey). It raises some interesting debate: Exactly where does the trade off between having fun by winning and having fun by using different Pokemon exist. Most of the higher tier Smogon players won't use anything lower than B, as a rule; not out of a need to always use the same stuff, simply because the B mons are that good and they see no reason to shoot themselves in the foot. Yet you'll still have people using things like Arcanine, Exploud, and Donphan because they have some sort of limited use in OU. So when do you say "right, enough is enough, this thing has a purpose but it is officially not worth using because of it's other qualities and/or competition for the role."?

As per usual, I blame Game Freak for inventing a game where you're encouraged to use your favourites but can only really win reliably with a certain selection of Pokemon.

Because of ALL OF THAT STUFF ^^ I can't help but wish I had a Smogon account with enough notability to start up a new thread. Everyone disses Donphan, and... I can't really blame them. Excadrill spins, Hippowdon has bulk. Hell, so do Gliscor, Garchomp and Landorus. And ~99.99% of the time Donphan's role will probably be better off done by another Pokemon, despite the unique intersection of qualities it has (Knock Off, a *really weak* priority move, Gunk Shot, Rapid Spin, mono Ground typing and Bulk)... and yet I can't help but wonder where that 0.01% team is. Is there genuinely a team that can be built around Donphan that makes perfect use of its qualities, one that when people say "Donphan's subpar, use ***** instead", you can say "well actually, in this case I need blah and blah and blah and only donphan provides it", and also one that actually functions without using otherwise subpar sets. (For example, on a team with a lot of steel types and no spinner or defogger, Donphan makes sense, but... that would be a shitty team.)

The way I see it, if a Pokemon can meet those conditions, then it deserves a rank, if only an F. There's a difference between "almost no competitive usability" and "no competitive usability" and really the game needs people to find that difference. Some are easy enough - Exploud and Escavalier perform in their own roles uniquely and well under Trick Room (though the viability of TR itself is suspect)... others are much more difficult to find.

by Captain Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:37 am

I'm becoming less and less of a fan of Smogon tbh. I was never a massive fan of their's anyway, but after I read up a bit more about how they do rankings etc etc, I kinda understood them.

And fair enough, Smogon has done a lot of good work for competitive battling over the years. When it comes to singles, they are pretty much the champs, even if I do think they are wayyyyy too quick on the banhammer for certain things.

But the format Gamefreak are pushing isn't singles anymore. It's doubles. It's 4vs4 double battles. The amount of Pokemon, especially in gen 5, whose roles were very focused on double battles (whether or not theyre that good at dubles is a different question) proves this. The fact that all VGC tourneys are double battles is the nail in the coffin. And doubles is a whole different ball game to singles. Many things that are just pure ridiculously OP in singles are not in Doubles. Take Mega Gengar, or Talonflame, or Mega Kangaskhan, or anything that can stomp on anything 1vs1. In doubles, they can only aim at one foe. That gives the enemy sufficient ability to take them out. Even if you pair them together, there's always gonna be that one bulky offensive Pokemon that can tank the move headed its way, watch its teammate die, and then hit back with an Earthquake or a Rock Slide and destroy at least one of them.

So what I guess I'm trying to say is thank you to Smogon for being so great over the years, but maybe they should either switch to focusing on Doubles now, or we as competitive battlers should ignore them and jst treat singles as a bit of fun rather than "serious" battling. Idk.

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:54 pm

See, I'd take the opposite view. (Warning: Large and comprehensive, apologise for any mistakes)

On Singles:

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On bans:

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by Captain Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:04 pm

Hmmm. Idk really. The problem for me is that banning, whilst somewhat obligatory, also eliminated the ability to use the things you love to use. Take Blaziken. Blaziken was many peoples's first ever starter (myself included), and for a lot of those people, it's hard to accept that they can't use something they love so much. I mean personally, I don't have that level of love for Blaziken. I am after all much more a fan of Combusken. But I really do understand why people get so angry about things being banned.

Because Smogon is so widely viewed as the "official" format when it's not. Smogon has existed for quite a few years now, and it's well known amongst Pokemon fans. People gravitate towards them for that reason. And because of that, Smogon run places like Pokemon Showdown are the place where you find the best battlers. Why would I as a competitive battler want to battle some stupid n00b using a team of six legendaries when I can go on Showdown and have a good battle, and actually improve on my battling skills? That's why I have a problem with the "but its not banned in game lol" argument. Because yeah sure, it's not banned in game. But if you want a good battle, you're not going to want to battle ingame. Good battles don't happen ingame a lot of the time. And I feel like that's kinda what Smogon are missing in their reasoning? They seem to think they're still this slightly underground, specialised place specifically for competitive Pokemon battlers. But they don't consider that they aren't really anymore. Competitive battling has been growing and growing as more Pokemon fans get to the age where the Pokemon games as they are aren't quite as fun anymore. These fans, who still love Pokemon, turn to competitive as a way to have fun with the series again. So more and more people flock to Smogon. They aren't a small site anymore. They are heavyweights of the Pokemon fanbase. Their opinion MATTERS. THAT is why there is such an outcry when something gets banned. Because anyone who wants to battle seriously can no longer use the Pokemon they love.

So there's a problem basically. Because on one hand, Smogon's rules make sense, have a lot of thought put into them and are definitely "fair". But the people who love Pokemon that are banned are going to be really, really upset.

Again I've lost my train of thought I think. I've never been that great at debating.

ON A SIDE NOTE does anyone have a Mew I could just borrow to get its dex data?It's literally the last thing I have no way of obtaining that I need for my national dex. Everything else I already have on my game to either evolve or breed.

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:19 pm

Aaaaaah I wish I had a mew D: It was the last legend I got before I lost my copy of Pearl. Plus it's semi decent now with Defog...

I think there should be more petitions to Game Freak. I get that you love Blaziken, that's totally cool, but speaking purely factually it is ridiculously overpowered (both regular and Mega form are A rank in the Uber viability ranking, just for comparison's sake) and Smogon are factually right to ban it. The actual problem is not that you want to use it nor that Smogon banned it, the problem is it's unbalanced in the first place. Game Freak needs to hear about this more! They only ever listen in Doubles and even then only in parts.

"Weaken Kangaskhan gamefreak"
"GF please Weaken Blaziken"
"Plz nerf Aegislash and Kings Shield just a little bit"
"Defog + Rapid Spin tutors?"

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by Captain Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:51 pm

I'd support defog becoming more common, if only because it would make Defiant and Competitive users better. Yespls better (but still terrible) Wigglytuff. I love Wigglytuff.

And yeah, It's a Gamefreak problem really. They need to balance out the game.

In other great news, I only have 13 Pokemon left for Nat Dex.

Mew, Lilipup, Blitzle, Tympole, Sewaddle, Cottonee, Tirtouga, Archen, Deerling, Klink, Klang, Tynamo and Eelectrik.

Mew I may have difficulties getting, and training that Klink and Tynamo up will be annoying, but everything else is smooth sailing from here.

by Spark Eletran Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:52 pm

(pssst on other news its ma birfday)
(http://sparkeletran.tumblr.com/tagged/birfday)

by d_what Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:56 pm

...no it isn't

mspa

by Spark Eletran Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:25 pm

oh welp guess i was mistaken not 15 anymore mspa

by kotakun Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:32 pm

hey regarding megas and teams what do you do if you lose to a mega evolution
what do you do if your team loses whenever your opponent megaevolves regardless of what pokemon it is that megaevolves? also what do you do if your team loses whenever one of your pokemon megaevolves?
no seriously if there are no megas on either team i do well but if they use it or i use it its over gg 0-1

by Captain Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:17 pm

So apparently I'm a big dum dum, because I totally forgot you don't need Mew (or any event Pokemon for that matter) to complete the national dex!

So.....

I COMPLETED THE NATIONAL DEX WOOOOOHOOOOOOO

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY

*does a little dance*

Shiny Charm get, now my next Pokemon project can start. Project Get-a-bunch-of-competitively-bred-and-trained-Pokemon-so-you-can-battle-using-random-teams-and-have-more-variety!

I'll just call it "completing my Competitive Dex" even tho not every line will feature, just the ones I want.

by ilikeoctopus Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:51 pm

Uh, if you still want Mew for completion's sake I dug around my HG cart and found that event one from forever ago! Back in the states in about three days so if you want, we can get you that 'dex info along with the Eevee.

I've crawled up from 621 to 625 in the time I've been vacationing but progress is severely hampered by my lack of Internet and the fact that many of the Pokes I still need are trade evos and unobtainable legendaries. :I

by invisibleTerrarium Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:27 pm

d_what wrote:retarded

Ok seriously, can you not?

Cap wrote:I COMPLETED THE NATIONAL DEX

Still hung up on super mario galaxy 2. Damn this game is fun.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPARK WOW YOU AND MUFFINZ HAVE LIKE, THE SAME BIRTHDAY??? MAYBE YOU CAN GO PAY THE HIP BARD TOGETHER!!!

by d_what Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:28 am

Ah the age old word debate! If it's any consolation I don't throw it around often. Only when something I'm describing is the very embodiment of lack of thought and ignorance because that kind of thing gets me fired up, and when fired up the brain actually selects less appropriate words stored in a particular memory location more often - it's why toddlers learn to curse so easily. Neuroscience!

(I s2g though if I hear the word "ableism" or "slur" popping up anywhere within 3 pages of this post I'm going to be "can you knot"ting for DAYS and I'll be bringing my ability toucan with me)

Personally, I view the word as being on a temporary cusp between it's official meaning and regular every day use. Its synonyms have an interesting back story - every generation, it seems, has had a word describing people who through no fault of their own are intellectually disabled, and have had medical terms drafted to describe such a state. Words like "Dull", "Dumb", "Idiot", "Imbecile", "Spastic"; the futher we go down the timeline of words the more uncomfortable we are with them. And yet the overwhelming trend is to take these words - which had official usage and were never intended as insults, before being applied to the great unwashed (that's us btw, seriously, shower guys) - is to have their ontic values change and become what we have today. And "Retarded" is without doubt following a similar suit. On the one hand, we have people ^ who dislike it being used to describe situations, events or other nouns who are outside the scope of it's original use. And that's fine. And then you have people who would feel uncomfortable, or possibly highly agitated (which I think is a word that tumblr should adopt more frequently since "triggered" just does not do the job) when the word is applied to people who it was originally intended for. And that's fine too, I'd fall into this camp actually. But between those two use cases, you've absolved the word of any appropriate meaning in any situation, otherwise consigning it to no use at all, which is a) never ever gonna happen in the internet age, words are too easily kept alive and b) word policing, which we've already discussed in this thread. So, then, in a fair universe it's really a case of pick your poison, and giving how uncomfortable I would personally be with be someone labeling someone with a genuine disability with the word "retarded", I find myself choosing the alternative without hesitation. So I can't really feel too much guilt iT sorry mspa

I understand your reservations thouogh and hey if you ever want to switch camps I'm told we have cookies.

(Hey Octotron where is it you went again or did you tell us and I've forgotten?)

by ilikeoctopus Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:51 am

I'm vacationing with family in Asia! My flight to my aunt's house in CA is later today but I will be returning home the day afterwards.

Also, I just looked through the event Pokemon list for 6th gen and feel somewhat unloved. I'm a sucker for event Pokemon and this is just upsetting.

by d_what Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:27 am

Oh that is so cool! Hope you remembered to take photos. I know everyone complains that nowadays people spend too much time snapping and not enough time experiencing, but fact is you forget a lot of stuff very quickly and photos bring it all back. Where in Asia, or are you touring? It's a big place.

(Gen 5 didn't have too many events either)
(best run we got was during HGSS on the run to BW when we technically got the three shiny Beasts, a celebi, a Victini and a few other ones like mew just before)
(Darkrai and Mewtwo were okay but they were TCG related)
(Still can't get a whole bunch of event legends where I am)
(we probably won't even get Diancie)

(also reminder that there are two days left on Aegislash's suspect test, with results the next week - I have neither the time nor the team to vote, but, y'know, if you feel strongly enough about it one way or another go for it.)

by invisibleTerrarium Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:17 am

D_, autism runs on my father's side of the family, and at least three of my close relatives have it, maybe more, I don't know. You have no idea how many times I've heard that word in particular used to put me and my family down. I'll respect you and not ask you to stop, but I thought I'd point out that that word has very different connotations from "stupid" or "idiot."

by cephalopodAscendant Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:29 am

While I do share d_what's visceral reaction to claims of ableism, I have to side with iT on the fact that maybe "retarded" is just one of those words that shouldn't be used. It's like how even though people keep trying to "reclaim" f****t and n****r, both words will always make my skin crawl (although obviously I don't have much of a say with the latter). And iT, whoever was using "retarded" to insult autistic people is clearly not very bright themselves.

On a more cheery note, that sounds really cool, octi! And yeah, the Gen VI events have been terrible for everyone not in Japan, which is really annoying considering how supposedly everything's global now.

by OverlordJ Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:50 am

So, basically what I'm getting from all this is that I will never be able to battle competitively, Octi was/is/is going to be in asia, people are upset about the word retarded and Spark is getting old. Is that correct?

by d_what Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:10 am

I appreciate it, iT, and it genuinely sucks that people do that. That's asshattery in it's purest form and I don't understand why people do it, except maybe out of some inherent need to be a douche. I can't guarantee I won't ever use it in future - it's part of my lexicon, specifically stored in that little area of the brain where other "problematic" words are stored - and you're right, it is used differently; that's what that cusp is for - it is transitioning between a new use and an older one, for better or for worse...

*at this point I'd segue into a bit about how some people may take offense at using the word "faggot" to describe an actual bundle of sticks and how this situation is not quite the same thing... oddly I wrote this bit before cA posted heheh, or how "gay" is both a descriptor and an insult yet the usage is diverging and focusing on the former as culture moves on, but... my word count is already massive lol.
Tl;D(write): words have individual meanings, backstories and usage and should be considered on a case by case basis, but my personal slant is intent behind usage is the important part and not the actual collection of letters that make the word itself.

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...in fact the original words even had a scale applied to them, with an IQ between 0 and 25 being one word and 25 to something being another; though really the major difference between "dumb" and "retarded" is the cultural significance of the words, their intended usage (descriptor vs slur, I think the distinction is really REALLY super important) and the strength of feeling behind them. BUT I can absolutely guarantee I would and will never, ever, EVER use them to describe someone based on their placement on the autism spectrum, or their intellectual capabilities, or any physical disabilities they might have, or to put someone down or have them specifically take offense at it, nor to set an example for others to do so. That would be incredibly cruel to do and does nobody any favours. I'm really sorry you and your family have had to put up with people who take the opposite view.

((Actually my typical use of the word would apply to actions that I would see as being contrary to any form of thought at all, not as descriptors of individual people. Example being: .gif of a guy on an electronic trolley narrowly missing a descending elevator, with the doors closing in front of him. He sees the elevator descend and loses his temper; he rams the doors with his kart once, twice *dent*, three times before they swing open. His momentum carries him over the edge and he falls down the shaft, falling six meters, kart and all. My immediate response, mentally, was "welp. That was retarded," both as a reflex and because "stupid" just does not do the job even a little. But it certainly wasn't a reference to his intelligence or capabilities, merely the poor choice he made on reacting that way.

P.S he totally died and won the Darwin Award of the Century, true story. RIP I suppose?))

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EDIT:
Actually iT I just realised we can rationally circumvent any and all debate in this topic.
You asking people not to use the word may not be word policing, on a local scale; it is the *actual* definition of a trigger and is completely separate from the word itself.
You've said that you've had too many people upset you and your family for far too long, and understandably that is upsetting and makes you uncomfortable, but the logical twist here is that those feelings are separate from the actual meaning of the word. If your family ran a circus and mean people's phrase of choice was, say, "pasty-faced", then that word would upset you. And so, understandably, you'd rather not have to deal with those feelings on a ""safe"" ""space"" (quoted for buzzwords). Hence even if you were to now ask me, specifically, not to use the word it would NOT be you word-policing people's vocab 1984 style, but would actually be you expressing a personal discomfort, to a friend, as a favour. And I can totally do that buddy because friends care for each other's feelings! BOOM logic'd and everything is rainbows again wooh. Because An Individual Person > Logic > Generalities.

by invisibleTerrarium Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:13 am

Spark is like thirty years old you've been gone for years OJ we've all been looking for you mspa

Can we just agree not to use the word and move on please seriously i dont want to dwell on this it brings out the worst in people

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