Re: General Chat: The Smashening

by invisibleTerrarium Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:43 am

??? they fit on my computer

by d_what Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:12 am

It's in heavy beta; a lot of features haven't been added yet, including most of the tags, analysis overviews and search-by-stat/tier - The vastness of white is unsettling though.

Works lovely on a phone, but sure enough the Tag tag doesn't fit on my laptop's browser unless I scroll down or out a bit.

by Dregadude Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:56 pm

gais just zoom out sheesh

This is beautiful and just what I needed for all these high-iv babies I keep getting off of Wonder Trade.

by OverlordJ Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:14 pm

Yeah that doesn't load on my phone BUT I'll be visiting my parents this weekend so I'll check that out. And do some trading. Yay~

by **Hanky Panky** Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:36 pm

speaking of high IV babies

who wants a venipede
or a gastly
they'll all have 5 IVs.
searching for a MM shiny, i don't bother keeping anything less than 5 IVs.

by Captain Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:34 pm

Hanky, are your Venipede Speed Boost, and is the non 31 in Special Attack? If yes to both, I'd love a Venipede.

And come to think of it a competitive Gengar would also be schweet, throw one my way when you do the Venipede please!

The article I already read a while ago, but it was super interesting for sure.

And yeah Dee, burn is scary. I run mostly physical. The presence of Burn is the primary reason why I basically always have a Heal Bell/Aromatherapy user on my team, and also why I run Fire types a lot too.

by OverlordJ Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:01 am

Welp, the internet at my parents place really sucked this weekend, I am sorry.

by d_what Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:19 am

Don't be.

Instead, rejoice that in Europe (this means you two previous bozos, I mean posters) the Pokemon Trading Card Game game is available on the eshop for 4.99! I would definitely recommend it to everyone here, it was fun. Deck building was also fun. And first gen had a meta too. Something something Venusaur something Haymaker something something.

Shame they can't/won't implement a multiplayer online mode though. The game itself appreciated having other players nearby; we're in the internet age, dammit, and we deserve to be connected!
(even you OJ)
(sorry lol)
(you have terrible luck r.e. internet)

by invisibleTerrarium Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:07 am

Hey, so that cool Vivillon pattern event is live now!! I got mine. It has the move Hold Hands, which... Does jack shit. mspa

by phantasmalDexterity Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:54 am

Hold hands is so OP. mspa

Spoiler:

by OverlordJ Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:37 pm

Okay, fuck, how do I get it and how long is the event?

by d_what Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:06 pm

Guys obviously hold hands has a different effect when used by Mega Minun/Plusle, it's actually OP almost.

No seriously this is a genuine theory from the would-be competitive fandom.

Spoiler:

by phantasmalDexterity Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:44 pm

Just like splash on Mega Magikarp is a OHKO, right? mspa

Spoiler:

OverlordJ wrote:Okay, fuck, how do I get it and how long is the event?

It's a Mystery Gift giveaway. You have until 31st of July to download it through the internet.

by OverlordJ Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:07 pm

Oh thank god

by **Hanky Panky** Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:56 pm

Captain wrote:Hanky, are your Venipede Speed Boost, and is the non 31 in Special Attack? If yes to both, I'd love a Venipede.

And come to think of it a competitive Gengar would also be schweet, throw one my way when you do the Venipede please!

The article I already read a while ago, but it was super interesting for sure.

And yeah Dee, burn is scary. I run mostly physical. The presence of Burn is the primary reason why I basically always have a Heal Bell/Aromatherapy user on my team, and also why I run Fire types a lot too.

okay so yes to both (the second one is a little more subjective, some of these 5 IV venipedes are varied) and 5 IV gastlies are the same way.

i traded in my wonky purple 3DS for a year of weegee XL that came with M&L Dream Team preinstalled free, so i'm ready to play some mario kart now.

also apparently "let it sit for a year without touching it" was the solution to my fucked up L trigger on my launch system 3DS, because both triggers work just fine now.

so i have 2 fully functional 3ds systems now. yay?

and i found a shiny shuppet in a friend safari last night, yay~

by d_what Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:08 pm

Yaaaaaaay for you on all counts! I wish I had two 3DSs.

Although if we're wishing for things I wish I had better overall stamina, better teeth, a 3-month-old driving licence, the ability to eat food, then maybe some chocolate mint sticks, and 3DSs for my friends because I can't play with anyone locally anymore Sad

Oh yeah and another inch added

Spoiler:

Edit: guys I JUST remembered that Zen mode Darmanitan is a thing! Jeez it's forgettable. And sooooo fuggin' useless; whoever designed the stat spread/typing/movepools of the gen 5 starters must've been the same person behind this train wreck. It stinks of ignorance about the game. Even if it went the Aegislash route and got a priority move that changed formes and did something extra, you're still stuck with a Darmanitan that doesn't have Sheer Force and Sheer Force is great. And also coverage. Darmanitan likes its coverage. (And a choice scarf/band actually, so I guess it's all academic anyhow).

by **Hanky Panky** Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:49 pm

the main problem with zen darmanitan, i've found, is that you either have to build a shitty non-sheer force darmanitan that is basically slightly harder to kill at <50% hp and can't hit for shit at that point, or you build something that relies on getting hit down to half health before it's even useful. at which point it's shitty and useless because it dies to even more things.

it's a cool concept. shitty implementation. it would have been better if there was a personality value that determined whether darmanitan was a zen mode or regular, and BST distribution based on the form it received. then ALL darmanitans got sheer force.

or maybe not because that sounds like it'd have been more difficult to program.

by d_what Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:35 am

Nah that could be programmed. Custom things like that are doable. I mean, if you want a "Zen" mode, make it fully available and not just after 50% health, because unless you DOUBLE its original speed, having a half health slower Pokemon is not a good idea. And don't forget the swapped attack stats.

If it were me, I'd give it Meditate or something and program a quirk where if Darmanitan uses it, it's BST swaps and all of its attacks become Special ones, like Psyshock. Lower speed but heightened defenses without the loss in health or undue attacking prowess: I'd use that.

Gen 5 is full of shitty implementations. Most of the really good things from gen 5 are only there due to insane BSTs or occasionally broken moves (Quiver dance) or abilities (shadow tag). No balance at all. They probably thought Audino was a good idea :/

by OverlordJ Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:14 am

What's so bad about Audino?

by d_what Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:26 am

It's a subpar cleric that is outclassed by a million things, poor BST distribution, poor typing, Ability does not help it that much because of those things, and a semi-decent movepool, most of which there's no point in running, that is still standard fare for Normal type Pokemon. And it's a huge momentum killer, that's a pretty big deal. It has limited use in VGC Doubles, though. Really really limited.

'Course, they introduced it to be a cheap way of getting EXP. But that in itself is a pretty poor fix, isn't it? Designing an entire Pokemon for one game just to fix a vague gameplay problem (training Pokemon)?

Don't get me wrong. Contrary to what a lot of people hear, I think gen 5 released some of the best Pokemon yet: Garbodor and Vanillluxe do not make the majority and aren't even that bad. Even the analogues are superior a lot of the time. But competitively? The person behind the BSTs did not understand the game at all.

Probably the same person who developed Aurorus actually.
Though not the same person who developed Avalugg. THAT actually showed quite a bit of thought.

by OverlordJ Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:49 am

Oh, okay, yeah, I see that point. I never even considered using Audino outside of double or tripple battles and yeah, I mostly consider it a walking sack of free exp...

Out of curiosity, which gen 5 mons do you like?

by cephalopodAscendant Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:14 am

Yeah, Gen V really wasn't great for the metagame, was it? The only two major positive things I can think of are Hidden Abilities (which admittedly got out of hand because they gave stuff Drought and Drizzle) and restricting Stealth Rock's availability (which got somewhat reversed in B2W2 with the Move Tutor).

by invisibleTerrarium Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:07 am

If we're going solely by design, I love Serperior, Swoobat, Gigalith, and Chandelure. That said, I dislike the competitive playstyle of all of those guys but Swoobat, and he's sort of a one-trick pony.

Competitively, god do I love Bisharp. That's the kind of crazy playstyle I like, mindgames up the wall with Sucker Punch and Iron Head. You can be tricky or just bust your way through everything with brute force, because as you know, bustin' makes me feel good.

by d_what Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:30 am

Oh god so many

Spoiler:

Except a very very small number, the Pokémon are actually perfectly average if not better than average? Gen V was great really. It's just that most of the actual implementations of those Pokemon were either poorly thought out or entirely random.
Some people complain about design over-complexity, but listen, that's been a thing since gen 3 and has roots since gen 1 (Nidoking, Rhyhorn, Gyarados): "complexity" is actually in the majority nowadays, so it's not really a valid complaint. And in any case, plain Pokémon introduced now don't become as popular as their more complex counterparts (Cincinno, Swanna).

Edit: Ugh I swear every time the MSPA server goes down I get my hopes up and get all, antsy and stuff. With ants.

by kotakun Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:53 pm

d_what wrote:Edit: Ugh I swear every time the MSPA server goes down I get my hopes up and get all, antsy and stuff. With ants.

forums are down we are up
guess we know which site has the better pokemon thread now

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