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Re: Pokemon game discussion

Post by Gelatino on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:59 pm

how about none of the types are best and that's the point
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Post by OverlordJ on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:11 pm

I know.
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Post by d_what on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:19 pm

Gelatino that's pure fiction and you know it!

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Post by Gelatino on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:52 pm

no, this is pure fiction

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Chapter XXV: Silph Co. Shakeover

Kenny, Eli, and Clair walked up to the front of the building. It was a well-decorated, bright blue skyscraper with glass walls. A strange “S” symbol was displayed above the door. The gigantic building seemed to stretch on forever into the sky, and it made Kenny dizzy just looking up at it for too long. Everybody had evacuated the area around the building, so the street was deserted.

“Well,” Kenny decided, “Let’s go in.”

The front glass door to the building was completely unlocked, so the trio marched right into the building. Inside, there was a great big lobby that probably took up the entire floor. In the middle, there was a lower area with an indoor fountain in the middle adorned by a revolving silver “S” symbol identical to the one outside. There was a desk in one corner of the room, but nobody was behind it. The only people in the room were standing guard by the door to the elevator in another corner of the room. The guards were wearing the trademark Team Nova black uniforms with black trench coats.

“Hey!” one of the guards shouted from across the room, “Where do you think you’re going? Didn’t you hear the guy on the roof with the megaphone? Get lost!”

“I should have known it would be you Team Nova jerks,” Kenny sighed. “Now, are you going to get out of our way or do I have to make you?”

One of the grunts stepped forward. “I’ve had about enough of you, kid. I was informed to show no mercy to anybody who entered this building, so if you don’t get out RIGHT NOW, my pokemon will show you the way!” The grunt reached in his jacket pocket and pulled out a poke ball. “Last chance.”

“Heck no,” Kenny replied. “I can take you on.”

“All right, then. Probopass, destroy them!” The grunt threw the ball forward and it opened up with a burst of light, revealing a massive stone pokemon floating above the floor. It seemed to be a massive blue stone head with a proportionally huge nose and a bushy, metallic mustache underneath. Two beady eyes stared straight at Kenny. He felt a vibration in his pocket, so he dug out his pokedex and listened to what it had to say about this strange pokemon.

“Probopass, the compass pokemon. It uses a powerful magnetic field to control three separate parts of its body called ‘Mini-noses’. It uses these to attack from different directions.”

“Oh, God, that thing is hideous!” Kenny called out. “Do us all a favor and take it back!” At that comment, Probopass let out a small tear from one of its eyes.

“Kenny!” Clair cried, grasping his arm. “That’s not nice…”

The Team Nova grunt was furious. “Nobody insults MY Probopass!” he hissed in utter rage. “Probopass, hit ‘em with your EARTH POWER!”

“Wait, I haven’t taken out my pokemon!” complained Kenny. He was quick to realize, however, that the attack was being directed at him as the ground below him started to well up and glow red. Thinking fast, Kenny took out a gold poke ball and sent it out. “Gyarados, save us!” he called as the massive red serpent emerged. The trio immediately grabbed onto Gyarados’s body and were inadvertently lifted up in the air, allowing them to avoid a shower of lava and superheated rocks flying out of the ground.

“Dude!” Kenny shouted once the attack ended and he jumped back on the ground, “Are you trying to KILL us?”

“Yes.”

Kenny was about to give Gyarados a command, but Eli stepped in front of him quickly. “Don’t worry, Kenny,” Eli reassured him, “I got this.” Eli then took Hoothoot off his shoulder and gently placed it on the ground in front of him. “Hoothoot, use Mirror Move!”

Hoothoot squawked into the air maliciously as the ground beneath Probopass started turning red. Suddenly, it exploded right underneath the pokemon, spraying Probopass with lava and rocks. Probopass had an expression of terror as it was struck by this explosion. Once the ground turned back to normal, Probopass fell on its side. The mini-noses which were originally floating beside Probopass clattered on the ground.

“Why, you…” the grunt growled when his pokemon fainted, “I can’t believe you! My poor Probopass… You’ll be sorry!” The grunt returned his pokemon and stormed out of the Silph Co. building through the front door. The other grunt standing by the elevator shrugged and followed his companion out the entrance.

“But… but…” stuttered Kenny incredulously, “That Hoothoot is just a baby! How could it take out a strong pokemon like Probopass in one hit?”

Eli lifted Hoothoot back onto his shoulder. “Remember, Kenny. Mirror Move uses the opponent’s move against it. Besides, Probopass has a severe ground-type weakness. Now come on, let’s go check out that elevator.”

The group walked over to the elevator door. It was just a red door with an “Up” button on a panel next to it. Above them, a display showed the countless number of floors that the building had.

“Well,” Kenny mused, “if that guy was just on the roof, then chances are, he’s on the top floor, right? Let’s go check it out.” Kenny tried pressing his finger on the “Up” button, causing the elevator doors to slide open almost immediately. Inside, there was a green carpeted floor and plastic paneling on the walls. The three of them stepped in the elevator and the door quickly closed behind them. Inside, annoying elevator music filled everyone’s ears. Kenny searched the enormous list of buttons for the highest one and immediately pushed it. With that, the destination floor’s number appeared on a screen and the elevator ascended.

After about a minute of foot-tapping and whistling, the lights in the elevator went off and the trio was left in complete darkness.

“Oh, poop,” Kenny’s voice said. “I think the power’s out or something.”

Clair commented, “They probably found out we were coming and cut the power.”

Within a second or two, the entire elevator was filled with disorganized bickering voices.

“Hey, stop bumping me!”

“I didn’t bump you!”

“Yes you did!”

“Actually, that was me. Sorry.”

“Don’t touch me again! You’re disgusting!”

“Oh, I’m disgusting?”

“Yeah!”

“Oh, shut up, will you?”

Kenny then spoke up. “Guys! Guys! We’re never going to get out of here unless we do something about it.” The elevator grew silent. “Now, I have a plan.” Kenny reached down at his pants in the dark, fumbling around to find the right poke ball. Kenny then pulled a ball off his belt and pressed the button on the front. “Rotom, come on out!”

A blinding flash of light came as an invisible pokemon emerged somewhere in the elevator. “Rotom?” Kenny called, searching for his pokemon.

“EEEEEEEEEK!” Clair screamed in pain. “SOMETHING’S BITING MY LEG! GET IT OFF!”

“Oops,” Kenny meekly replied. “That must have been Trapinch. Probably afraid of the dark. Trapinch, return.” Kenny held out the poke ball and Trapinch was withdrawn back to its ball. Kenny reached for his belt and pulled off another poke ball. “Okay, Rotom, let’s do it this time!”

This time, when Kenny opened up the poke ball, a faint light illuminated the room as the glowing figure of Rotom floated silently in the air. “Good. All right, Rotom, do you think you can energize this elevator?” Rotom nodded in response and started floating down to the panel of buttons and melted through. Without warning, the lights in the elevator turned on, this time glowing orange instead of white. The speakers that originally played elevator music started blaring out heavy metal in everyone’s ears. The button for the top floor lit up as the elevator began ascending much faster than before. Everyone had to hang on tight to the support rails conveniently mounted on the wall as the Rotom-powered elevator sped up faster and faster. Suddenly, the entire elevator slid to a quick halt. Everyone was flung off the floor with great force. The doors then flung open and a brief fanfare sounded from the speakers. Everyone immediately stepped out the doors. Once everyone was out, Rotom emerged from the elevator happily.

“All right, great work, Rotom,” Kenny praised. He then returned the proud Rotom to its poke ball.

Eli was wavering around uneasily. “I think I’m gonna be sick…” he moaned.

“Don’t you DARE throw up on me, Peach Cake,” Clair warned.

Kenny looked out into the great hall that stretched forward before him. Way at the end of the hall, there was a door. “Hey, guys, stop wasting time! Let’s go check it out.” Kenny immediately started marching down the hall. The doors on each side of the hall were relatively nondescript, but once he approached closer, he saw that the door on the end of the hall was adorned with a great golden plaque that read, “Manager’s Office”. Kenny immediately waked up and pushed open the door, which was surprisingly enough unlocked.

The trio stepped into the room. It was a relatively small office space with a great big mahogany desk directly opposite the door. The desk was cluttered with papers and a closed laptop. On the opposite side of the room, a great big pane of glass stretched across the entire wall, revealing a magnificent view of the city below. There was a tall swivel chair on the other side of the desk that was turned toward the window. From the reflection in the window, Kenny could see someone sitting in the chair. He couldn’t make out the man’s face, but he saw the man twiddling his fingers on his lap.

“Hey, Oberon!” Kenny called. “Is that you?”

A great big flash of white light flooded the entire room. Just as quickly, however, the light dissipated. Once everybody’s eyes had adjusted, they saw another man standing next to the mahogany desk. He wore a black pinstripe jacket with a purple button-down shirt underneath and a red and white bowtie. Next to him stood an Alakazam, who had a bandage over its forehead.

“Somebody called me?” smiled Oberon from his side of the room. Suddenly, the swivel chair turned around, revealing the man sitting in it to everybody. It was the bald man that Kenny fought and lost to way back at Goldport city, long ago in his journey. The man smiled maliciously as he pounded his fist into his hands menacingly. “Oh, dear,” Oberon said calmly, “I’m terribly sorry to interrupt. You two can go ahead and finish your meeting. I’ll be waiting outside.” There was another brief flash of white light as Oberon and Alakazam teleported out of the room.

“I remember you kids,” the bald man said in his usual deep voice. “Except I don’t remember the girl. Why don’t we settle the score right now and get it over with?” The bald man stood up and kicked the mahogany desk, sliding it over to the edge of the room. He then took a poke ball out of his black trench coat pocket.

Kenny was about to pull out a poke ball of his own when Clair touched his shoulder. “Kenny,” she said, “You’ve already done your fair share today, remember? I want to take this guy on myself.” Clair stepped forward and pulled out a poke ball of her own.

“Aww, the wittle girl wants to pway?” the bald man taunted. “I’m not going easy on you just ‘cause you’re a girl!”

“Good,” Clair retorted.

The bald man threw the poke ball in his hand straight into the room. He shouted, “Gabite, destroy!” A tall, dark blue and red pokemon that seemed to have jet turbines on each side of its head emerged from the ball. Clair’s pokedex vibrated at the sight of this new pokemon, so she took it out and listened.

“Gabite, the cave pokemon. They constantly dig to expand their nest. Sometimes, they dig up rare gems while building their nest. Because of this, thieves often target them.”

“A Dragon type?” Clair thought. “This is too easy.” Clair pulled out a great ball and threw it up in the air. “Lunatone, I choose you!” With a burst of light, the floating moon rock emerged into the air and floated in place.

“Gabite, use Dragon Claw!”

“Lunatone, Ice Beam!”

Gabite rushed across the floor with ninja-like swiftness. It jumped up toward Lunatone, its claws glowing red and blue. It raked its glowing claws against Lunatone, causing some discomfort, but Lunatone recovered instantly. It started scanning the target carefully. It slowly opened its beak and followed Gabite’s movements. Finally, Lunatone launched a frigid ray of energy straight at Gabite, freezing it solid in an instant. The frozen Gabite simply stood there with a look of shock. It fell to the ground like a statue and the ice coating its body shattered, leaving the pokemon defeated in one hit.

“What the…” the bald man gasped.

Clair smiled. “Is that all you’ve got? Come on!”

The bald man growled with fury and pulled out another poke ball after returning his Gabite. He threw the ball in the air and yelled, “Cacturne, show her who’s boss!” Out of the ball came a green, humanoid pokemon covered in darker green spikes and wearing a strange hat. Clair’s pokedex immediately started shaking, so she took it out.

“Cacturne, the scarecrow pokemon. It remains motionless during the day. At night, however, it will silently pursue prey in a group until the prey becomes exhausted.”

Clair thought out her plan. “All right, Lunatone, you know the drill. Ice Beam again!”

“Cacturne, hurry up and use Sandstorm!”

Lunatone took careful aim at Cacturne. However, before it could execute the Ice Beam attack, sand started streaming out of Cacturne’s body and flying around the room with great force. Everybody had to shield their eyes from the swirling sand that filled every corner of the room. Lunatone was finding it hard to see in the lowered visibility caused by the sandstorm. It shot its Ice Beam, but the attack missed completely and made a small chunk of ice on the floor.

“Cacturne, use your Needle Arm!”

“Lunatone, keep trying with Ice Beam!”

Lunatone frantically looked around the room for its target. It felt a sharp pain behind it as it was knocked far forward. Cacturne had come up behind it and flung its sharp needle-covered arm right in Lunatone’s back, sending it flying. Lunatone, however, regained its composure almost instantly and shot a frigid beam straight at Cacturne, which was now standing very close. Cacturne’s body was turned light blue and coated in a smooth layer of ice. Cacturne fell to the ground, frozen solid. Once it struck the ground with its brittle body, one of its arms cracked off. Cacturne got back up on its feet, but fainted at the sight of its arm sitting on the ground.

“Oh my God!” the bald man yelled in exasperation. “It’s gonna take months for that arm to grow back! I guess I better finish this thing off quick.” The bald man took back his Cacturne and pulled out another poke ball from his belt. He flung the ball out into the room, shouting, “Krookodile, I choose you!”

The familiar form of Krookodile emerged onto the ground, snapping its jaws in the air. Kenny took on a confused look when he saw the pokemon. The Krookodile saw Kenny and waved to him. “Hey, I had a Krookodile just like that!”

The bald man chortled loudly. “Hah! That’s because this is your Krookodile! One of our grunts went undercover and traded you for it, then gave it to me! Now that I have one of your pokemon, I’ll be unbeatable!”

“That’s just mean!” Kenny protested. “I never would have traded it away if I knew you were getting it!”

“Don’t worry, Kenny,” Clair reassured, “Krookodile is weak to Ice Beam. My Lunatone can take it out easily.”

“Don’t count on it!” the bald man shouted back. “Krookodile, use Crunch!”

Lunatone opened up its beak and charged a sub-zero beam attack at the enemy Krookodile. However, before it could launch the beam, Krookodile ran up to it at full speed and chomped down on Lunatone’s body with immense force. Despite having a body made of solid rock, Lunatone was severely damaged by the attack. In a state of panic, Lunatone released its Ice Beam attack at nothing in particular. Krookodile swung Lunatone around in its mouth, causing the Ice Beam to freeze everything in sight. Krookodile finally let go of Lunatone, flinging it in the air. Lunatone floated in the air for a second, but then its eyes went black and it fell to the floor like the stone that it is.

“Hah! What did I tell you?” the bald man announced proudly. Clair reluctantly withdrew her fainted Lunatone and reached down for another poke ball.

“Let’s go, Jigglypuff!” Clair shouted when she threw the poke ball in the air. Out came Jigglypuff, who was still wearing its red and white hat.

“Seriously?” the bald man taunted. “I don’t care what kind of pink, cuddly pokemon you use, I’m still not going easy on you. Krookodile, use Bulldoze!”

“Jigglypuff, quickly, Sing!”

Krookodile ran up to Jigglypuff and was about to start pounding on the ground. However, Jigglypuff started singing its soothing song and Krookodile stopped to listen. At the sound of Jigglypuff’s voice, everybody in the room, including Hoothoot on Eli’s shoulder, put their hands over their ears. However, the bald man didn’t know this procedure. He started growing drowsy and tumbled over on the floor, snoring loudly. By this time, Krookodile had done the same thing. Jigglypuff giggled at the sight of the sleeping opponents.

“Clair,” Kenny whispered, “He’s asleep. Why don’t we just throw him out the window or something?”

“What? No!” protested Clair. “What’s your problem? Our only choice is to beat him, otherwise they’ll just stay in the Silph Co. building. Now, Jigglypuff, use Rollout!”

At Clair’s order, Jigglypuff started spinning in place on the ground. It spun faster and faster until it was sparkling and glowing. Finally, Jigglypuff flew straight at the Krookodile while spinning rapidly. It hit Krookodile directly, but it didn’t seem to be damaged by the attack very much. Jigglypuff circled around the room, rolling even faster, and struck Krookodile again. The pokemon was still asleep.

Just then, the bald man woke up to the sight of Jigglypuff ramming into the sleeping Krookodile once more. “Hey, Krookodile!” he shouted, “Get up! That thing’s attacking you!”

Krookodile woke up to the sound of its trainer’s voice. It looked around groggily, only to be met by a smack in the face by the rolling Jigglypuff. By now, Jigglypuff was rolling at blinding speeds. Krookodile barely even had time to get up before it was struck once more with enough force to knock it back, despite the unfavorable type matchup. Jigglypuff kept circling around the room. However, this time when it approached, it flew straight into Krookodile’s gaping jaws. Krookodile picked up Jigglypuff as it rolled and swung it around in its mouth. It then let go of Jigglypuff, who deflated like a balloon.

“Jigglypuff, return!” Clair sadly said as she withdrew Jigglypuff to its poke ball. “All right, then, this calls for strategy. Mantyke, let’s go!” Clair took another ball off her belt and flung it, revealing her recently-caught Mantyke floating in the air with its optimistic smile.

“Mantyke, use Bubblebeam!”

“Krookodile, Crunch!”

Krookodile started running toward Mantyke as quickly as it could. However, Mantyke started blowing a shower of bubbles out of its mouth at high speed. Krookodile was somewhat impeded by the bubbles popping all around it, but it still managed to run forward. It was about to clamp its massive jaws down on the little Mantyke’s body, but Mantyke swiftly flew above Krookodile’s reach. Krookodile tried jumping up in the air to catch the high-flying Mantyke, but it couldn’t reach and simply gave up.

“Now, Mantyke! Try Bubblebeam again!”

“Krookodile, keep using Crunch!”

Krookodile ran up to Mantyke again and tried chomping at it. However, Mantyke narrowly avoided the attack and started launching a ton of bubbles through the air with great force. Krookodile was completely surrounded by popping bubbles spraying water in its face. Finally, Krookodile couldn’t take any more. Once all the bubbles were gone, it slowly fell onto the floor, shaking the entire building beneath it.

“What the…” the bald man gasped. “How the heck did I lose with one of your pokemon???”

“Well, in my defense, I never actually used the Krookodile,” Kenny explained.

The bald man returned Krookodile and looked at the trio maliciously. “You’ll be sorry for this, punks!” he growled through bared teeth. “One day, I will destroy you, and I don’t care if my boss tells me to or not!” The bald man pushed through the group and stormed out the door.

The room then grew silent, except for a banging sound that could be heard coming from somewhere in the room. Kenny looked around and saw that there was another door in this office. A door was situated on one of the side walls in the room. A banging sound kept coming from that door, like someone kicking it.

“Whoa, let’s go check that out,” Kenny suggested. He then strode over to the door and turned open the lock. He opened the door to see a man wearing a brown coat and hat. He had duct tape over his mouth and his hands and feet were tied together. “Oh God,” Kenny said as he ripped off the duct tape covering the man’s mouth.

“AHHHH!” the man screamed when the tape was taken off. Kenny saw that there was a bunch of hair stuck to the tape. “Oh God, couldn’t you take that tape off slower? That mustache is going to take forever to grow back!”

“Sorry,” Kenny apologized sheepishly. “Who are you?”

“I’m the Silph Co. manager!” he said in a low voice. “Now, would you please untie my arms and legs?”

Kenny bent down and started untying the rope on the man’s arms. However, the knot was too tight and he couldn’t get it undone. “Don’t worry, Kenny,” Eli said from behind. “I’ve got this. Quilava, come on out!” Eli took out Quilava’s poke ball and sent out his pokemon. “Quilava, burn off that rope!”

“Wait! Wait!” the manager pleaded. “Maybe this isn’t such a good idea.”

“Yeah, Eli, just stand back,” Kenny suggested. He then took off a poke ball of his own. “Floatzel, help us out!” he said as Floatzel emerged from its poke ball. “Floatzel, bite off this rope, will you?”

The manager felt the warm, wet breath of Floatzel on his hands as the pokemon gnawed off the rope. Floatzel then got to work on the man’s feet. When he was free, the manager got up and stretched. “Well, I suppose I owe you thanks for getting those thugs out of my building and freeing me.”

“Aw, pssh,” the trio said modestly in unison.

“No, I’m serious,” the manager affirmed. He walked over to his desk which was cast aside in the battle and opened up a door, pulling out a poke ball. “This ball,” he explained, “Contains a very rare pokemon. Since you guys are trainers, I think you could make better use of it than I could. Here you go.” He handed the ball to Kenny, who accepted it graciously.

“All right, let’s see what’s in here!” Kenny said as he pressed the button on the front of his new poke ball. The ball opened up and gave a bright flash of light. Out of the ball came an oddly-shaped green pokemon that seemed to be surrounded in green jelly. Kenny took out his pokedex to examine this odd new pokemon.

“Duosion, the mitosis pokemon. It has two brains, so it often tries to take two courses of action at once. When the two brains are thinking in unison, it becomes much more powerful.”

“Whoa, cool!” Kenny exclaimed. “A psychic type!”

“That’s right, bub,” came a voice from nowhere in particular.

“What was that?” Kenny asked.

“I didn’t say anything,” Eli responded.

“Me neither,” confirmed Clair.

“That was me, dimwit!” came the voice again. Kenny looked at Duosion with a look of surprise. Duosion winked at him.

“Wow, you can talk!?” Kenny exclaimed happily.

“I didn’t hear anything!” Eli said.

“Me neither,” Clair agreed once again.

Duosion turned its head toward Clair. “You hear me now, pretty girl?” it said to her.

“Wow, you can talk!” she agreed. “And you think I’m pretty!”

“I said no such thing!” Eli argued defensively.

Duosion looked Eli in the eye. “You got to calm down, weirdo.”

“Oh my God,” Eli affirmed, “Are you using telepathy?”

“Totes,” the Duosion replied.

“That’s awesome!” Kenny ecstatically said. “I always wanted to know what it’s like to talk to pokemon.”

“Well, now you know,” Duosion said gruffly. “Now, can we get out of here? This room is ugly and a mess. And I’m hungry. When do we get something to eat?”

“Jeez, what a whiner,” Kenny complained. “Well, thanks again mister manager. I think it’s about time for us to head out.”

“All right, then, good luck on your journey,” the manager said. He then looked around at his office, which was completely cluttered and covered in water, sand, and ice. “I guess I’ll have to call in a cleaning crew to get all this mess up.”

The trio, followed by Duosion floating through the air, left the Silph Co. building. A crowd of civilians was waiting outside, expectantly waiting to hear the news. Kenny quickly realized this.

“Uh…” Kenny thought, “We got rid of the bad guys. You can use this building if you want.”

The crowd erupted in cheer at the group. Confetti and balloons flew in the air as the crowd jumped for joy, many of them rushing into the Silph Co. building immediately. “Oh, man,” Duosion complained, covered in glitter, “All this stupid confetti is getting in my cytoplasm. Let’s get out of here and find something to eat already. I’m starving.” At the conceited commands of the irritating Duosion, the group walked through the streets of Monopolis looking for some type of eating establishment.

here's the link if you want to read the rest but i wouldn't suggest it
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Re: Pokemon game discussion

Post by invisibleTerrarium on Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:58 pm

Someone tell me what i just read
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Re: Pokemon game discussion

Post by d_what on Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:04 pm

Permission to do that thing where I submit my own and then emphasise the main character's laziness, and also be a self-insert, and then copy-paste the majority of Gelatino's one?

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Post by Hanky Panky on Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:11 pm

i don't really care what you do, just provide a tl;dr of that shitty fanfic.

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Post by Gelatino on Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:32 pm

thanks for calling it a shitty fanfic, that's actually a pretty apt description.  i wrote it a few years back, never finished it.  i'd like to read it all again, except it's really long and the awful rhetoric and spotty syntax makes me spit-take every few seconds.

if you want a tl;dr, it's basically a fan-region called fushi where the evil team is team nova and they do bad stuff.  the region is based on ideas from my old fakemon forum where we were designing a fan game. all-in-all, it's an entertaining plot and some of the parts are pretty funny.  if you don't mind looking past my poor writing quality, it's actually a fun read.
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Re: Pokemon game discussion

Post by Hytheter on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:01 pm

cephalopodAscendant wrote:Hytheter, you do realize that Steel was basically introduced to help nerf Psychic, right? Basically every change introduced in Gen II that wasn't bug fixes or gender/breeding related was meant to knock Psychics down a peg. I won't deny that Psychic is nowhere near as strong as it once was, but it's far from terrible.
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And they fucked it up. They went too far; Psychic went from being undisuptably overpowered to one of the dregs.

tinning3 wrote:Even now I still freak out when the opponent has the Psychic move. It's very potent.
It's not really any more potent than Flamethrower and friends. In fact, I would say less, since a SpD drop isn't as threatening as Burn/Paralysis/Freeze. And only now does it even contend since the others used to have more Power.
I guess it's better than Surf, disregarding type matchups. Except in doubles.

OJ: I agree, Dark is only marginally better than Psychic. Being able to hit Steel is big though. Because Steel is just so good defensively, the ability to hit it can make or break a type. If Psychic got that, it would flip the switch, and Psychic would be a top contender but without being Gen 1 style broken.
Ice is terrible, I don't think anyone could argue that its not. Defensively its incompetent, even Normal is better, and normal is mediocre by design. Offensively its pretty good; it breaks even, sure, but I think that's necessary to balance out large SE coverages. But the combination of these factors just mean that being an Ice Type is bad - but having Ice moves good.
Rock is a weird case? Its very weak defensively. Something with that many weaknesses wants resistances to match, but it lacks them. But its really good offensively. One of the best. It's low accuracy moves do hold it back a little, but only a little. But again, its better to have Rock moves than to actually be Rock Type.

Tyranitar meanwhile says "no fuck you Jesse" and continues to be incredible despite having mediocre typing.
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Post by NinteNerd on Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:54 pm

i'm gonna drop a huge load of type opinioNN's later.

for now, an update to the wonder trade run
-i still don't touch fortress. ever. it just has crappy moves.
-sliggoo finished out the pokeball factory at level 49; took her down to laverre nature trail to evolve. gotten power whip since then.
dragon pulse's animation is very satisfying.
-raichu is an absolute beast now, used her to take out both the electric and psychic gyms effortlessly.
-ferrothorn has been seeing less usage ever since it evolved, oddly. used gyro ball to wreck the fairy gym though. i still love how physical attackers usually hurt themselves more than it.
-ledian learned bug buzz but still barely does anything with it. haven't been using her much either.
-talonflame is still pretty cool. it's got Me First now. no decent fire moves yet though.
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Post by Hytheter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:00 am

NN remember to grab some heart scales before heading to Dendemille, the move reminder is excellent in this game as it can teach certain moves many levels earlier than you'd normally get them. As well as other moves which are exclusively relearn moves.
Talonflame gets both Flare Blitz and Brave Bird that way (and won't get Flare Blitz otherwise).
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Post by Hanky Panky on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:30 am

Gelatino wrote:i wrote it a few years back, never finished it.
why do you make me do these things jello
you know i don't do fanfics
and that i automatically generalize all of them as bad

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Post by ilikeoctopus on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:33 am

hey
as a person who ran a monopsychic OU team on Showdown pretty decently

I still think Psychic really is quite good. Mostly because no one knows what to do when faced with a full team of Psychic types in normal OU. Celebi, Victini, and Alakazam made for great coverage, really. Reuniclus was decently tanky, and using Trick Room with Metagross along for the ride made life pretty great.
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Post by Gelatino on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:54 am

Hanky Panky wrote:
why do you make me do these things jello
you know i don't do fanfics
and that i automatically generalize all of them as bad
what did i make you do? you don't have to read it if you don't want to; in fact i would suggest against it. it's probably good that you generalize them all as bad, because that's what pretty much all of them are just on principle. if you're a good writer, you should be writing about an interesting topic, not some game you like.
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Post by OverlordJ on Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:33 am

And about coverage: Most Psychic types can learn some Ghost moves, which help quite a bit. And since this gen, Ghost even hits Steel neutrally and some Psychic get Fairy type attacks that healp deal with Dark types.
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Post by Hytheter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:48 am

OverlordJ wrote:And about coverage: Most Psychic types can learn some Ghost moves, which help quite a bit. And since this gen, Ghost even hits Steel neutrally and some Psychic get Fairy type attacks that healp deal with Dark types.
Psychic-Ghost is not good coverage... Fairy helps, but only because Fairy/Ghost is good coverage, Psychic doesn't really help all that much.
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Post by OverlordJ on Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:03 am

Only Steel Psychic and Dark resist Psychic (Or, well, are immune to it). Ghost hits Psychic super effectivly and it also hits Steel since this gen. So yeah, the only problem Ghost/Psychic has is Dark. To be fair, Ghost/Psychic has a HUGE problem with Dark but yeah, Dark is it's only realy weakness. And a Fairy or Bug move can help with that, which quite a few Psychic Pokemons can learn (either Signal Beam via tutor in gen 5 or Dazzling Gleam via TM in this gen).
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Post by Hytheter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:47 am

Without the third move, you are walled by dark and have awful SE coverage - only four types. Rock is better than the two combined!
And as I said, when you add the third move Psychic becomes obselete. Unless you consider Pyroar a threat. You're much better off being a Ghost or Fairy type than being a Psychic type with those moves. Especially if you want to run some non-attacking moves.

A better complement for Psychic is Fighting imo, shame Focus Blast is such a bad move. With those two you only miss very specific type combinations instead of an entire type, and gives you a much larger scope for SE moves.
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Post by OverlordJ on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:59 am

Fighting would be perfect but my secret dream (Aurasphere Alakazam) will obviously never come true
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Post by kotakun on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:15 am

Hytheter wrote:Without the third move, you are walled by dark and have awful SE coverage - only four types.
have you ever considered having multiple pokemon?
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Post by d_what on Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:32 pm

Have you considered having a team half full of shitty pokemon and compensating for it by having the remaining guys use the same logic that Hytheter is currently using?

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Post by Hytheter on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:33 pm

^basically that. If you're forced to rely too much on your other Pokemon then the Pokemon in question might just be a liability, or at the very least its moveset is.

There are some killer Psychic pokemon of course. Alakazam comes to mind almost immediately.
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Post by Gelatino on Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:59 am

i was on pokemon showdown and i was fighting this guy and his last pokemon was diggersby and its name was exodia and i said "exodia, obliterate.... more like obliterate exodia" and then i used focus blast and it was a sick burn because his exodia got obliterated
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Post by Hanky Panky on Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:21 am

what the fuck get this yugioh shit out of my pokemon

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Post by tinning3 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:06 am

Literally everything you find in the first page when you Google ""tinning3" is my stuff. Some of it I haven't touched in quite a while, as well.

so yay I picked a good unique username, but... maybe too unique.
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