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Post by Gelatino Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:59 pm

how about none of the types are best and that's the point
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Post by OverlordJ Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:11 pm

I know.
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Post by d_what Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:19 pm

Gelatino that's pure fiction and you know it!
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Post by Gelatino Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:52 pm

no, this is pure fiction

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here's the link if you want to read the rest but i wouldn't suggest it
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Post by invisibleTerrarium Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:58 pm

Someone tell me what i just read
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Post by d_what Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:04 pm

Permission to do that thing where I submit my own and then emphasise the main character's laziness, and also be a self-insert, and then copy-paste the majority of Gelatino's one?
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Post by Hanky Panky Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:11 pm

i don't really care what you do, just provide a tl;dr of that shitty fanfic.
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Post by Gelatino Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:32 pm

thanks for calling it a shitty fanfic, that's actually a pretty apt description.  i wrote it a few years back, never finished it.  i'd like to read it all again, except it's really long and the awful rhetoric and spotty syntax makes me spit-take every few seconds.

if you want a tl;dr, it's basically a fan-region called fushi where the evil team is team nova and they do bad stuff.  the region is based on ideas from my old fakemon forum where we were designing a fan game. all-in-all, it's an entertaining plot and some of the parts are pretty funny.  if you don't mind looking past my poor writing quality, it's actually a fun read.
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Post by Hytheter Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:01 pm

cephalopodAscendant wrote:Hytheter, you do realize that Steel was basically introduced to help nerf Psychic, right? Basically every change introduced in Gen II that wasn't bug fixes or gender/breeding related was meant to knock Psychics down a peg. I won't deny that Psychic is nowhere near as strong as it once was, but it's far from terrible.
I know
And they fucked it up. They went too far; Psychic went from being undisuptably overpowered to one of the dregs.

tinning3 wrote:Even now I still freak out when the opponent has the Psychic move. It's very potent.
It's not really any more potent than Flamethrower and friends. In fact, I would say less, since a SpD drop isn't as threatening as Burn/Paralysis/Freeze. And only now does it even contend since the others used to have more Power.
I guess it's better than Surf, disregarding type matchups. Except in doubles.

OJ: I agree, Dark is only marginally better than Psychic. Being able to hit Steel is big though. Because Steel is just so good defensively, the ability to hit it can make or break a type. If Psychic got that, it would flip the switch, and Psychic would be a top contender but without being Gen 1 style broken.
Ice is terrible, I don't think anyone could argue that its not. Defensively its incompetent, even Normal is better, and normal is mediocre by design. Offensively its pretty good; it breaks even, sure, but I think that's necessary to balance out large SE coverages. But the combination of these factors just mean that being an Ice Type is bad - but having Ice moves good.
Rock is a weird case? Its very weak defensively. Something with that many weaknesses wants resistances to match, but it lacks them. But its really good offensively. One of the best. It's low accuracy moves do hold it back a little, but only a little. But again, its better to have Rock moves than to actually be Rock Type.

Tyranitar meanwhile says "no fuck you Jesse" and continues to be incredible despite having mediocre typing.
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Post by NinteNerd Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:54 pm

i'm gonna drop a huge load of type opinioNN's later.

for now, an update to the wonder trade run
-i still don't touch fortress. ever. it just has crappy moves.
-sliggoo finished out the pokeball factory at level 49; took her down to laverre nature trail to evolve. gotten power whip since then.
dragon pulse's animation is very satisfying.
-raichu is an absolute beast now, used her to take out both the electric and psychic gyms effortlessly.
-ferrothorn has been seeing less usage ever since it evolved, oddly. used gyro ball to wreck the fairy gym though. i still love how physical attackers usually hurt themselves more than it.
-ledian learned bug buzz but still barely does anything with it. haven't been using her much either.
-talonflame is still pretty cool. it's got Me First now. no decent fire moves yet though.
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Post by Hytheter Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:00 am

NN remember to grab some heart scales before heading to Dendemille, the move reminder is excellent in this game as it can teach certain moves many levels earlier than you'd normally get them. As well as other moves which are exclusively relearn moves.
Talonflame gets both Flare Blitz and Brave Bird that way (and won't get Flare Blitz otherwise).
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Post by Hanky Panky Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:30 am

Gelatino wrote:i wrote it a few years back, never finished it.
why do you make me do these things jello
you know i don't do fanfics
and that i automatically generalize all of them as bad
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Post by ilikeoctopus Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:33 am

hey
as a person who ran a monopsychic OU team on Showdown pretty decently

I still think Psychic really is quite good. Mostly because no one knows what to do when faced with a full team of Psychic types in normal OU. Celebi, Victini, and Alakazam made for great coverage, really. Reuniclus was decently tanky, and using Trick Room with Metagross along for the ride made life pretty great.
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Post by Gelatino Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:54 am

Hanky Panky wrote:
why do you make me do these things jello
you know i don't do fanfics
and that i automatically generalize all of them as bad
what did i make you do? you don't have to read it if you don't want to; in fact i would suggest against it. it's probably good that you generalize them all as bad, because that's what pretty much all of them are just on principle. if you're a good writer, you should be writing about an interesting topic, not some game you like.
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Post by OverlordJ Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:33 am

And about coverage: Most Psychic types can learn some Ghost moves, which help quite a bit. And since this gen, Ghost even hits Steel neutrally and some Psychic get Fairy type attacks that healp deal with Dark types.
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Post by Hytheter Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:48 am

OverlordJ wrote:And about coverage: Most Psychic types can learn some Ghost moves, which help quite a bit. And since this gen, Ghost even hits Steel neutrally and some Psychic get Fairy type attacks that healp deal with Dark types.
Psychic-Ghost is not good coverage... Fairy helps, but only because Fairy/Ghost is good coverage, Psychic doesn't really help all that much.
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Post by OverlordJ Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:03 am

Only Steel Psychic and Dark resist Psychic (Or, well, are immune to it). Ghost hits Psychic super effectivly and it also hits Steel since this gen. So yeah, the only problem Ghost/Psychic has is Dark. To be fair, Ghost/Psychic has a HUGE problem with Dark but yeah, Dark is it's only realy weakness. And a Fairy or Bug move can help with that, which quite a few Psychic Pokemons can learn (either Signal Beam via tutor in gen 5 or Dazzling Gleam via TM in this gen).
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Post by Hytheter Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:47 am

Without the third move, you are walled by dark and have awful SE coverage - only four types. Rock is better than the two combined!
And as I said, when you add the third move Psychic becomes obselete. Unless you consider Pyroar a threat. You're much better off being a Ghost or Fairy type than being a Psychic type with those moves. Especially if you want to run some non-attacking moves.

A better complement for Psychic is Fighting imo, shame Focus Blast is such a bad move. With those two you only miss very specific type combinations instead of an entire type, and gives you a much larger scope for SE moves.
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Post by OverlordJ Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:59 am

Fighting would be perfect but my secret dream (Aurasphere Alakazam) will obviously never come true
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Post by kotakun Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:15 am

Hytheter wrote:Without the third move, you are walled by dark and have awful SE coverage - only four types.
have you ever considered having multiple pokemon?
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Post by d_what Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:32 pm

Have you considered having a team half full of shitty pokemon and compensating for it by having the remaining guys use the same logic that Hytheter is currently using?
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Post by Hytheter Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:33 pm

^basically that. If you're forced to rely too much on your other Pokemon then the Pokemon in question might just be a liability, or at the very least its moveset is.

There are some killer Psychic pokemon of course. Alakazam comes to mind almost immediately.
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Post by Gelatino Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:59 am

i was on pokemon showdown and i was fighting this guy and his last pokemon was diggersby and its name was exodia and i said "exodia, obliterate.... more like obliterate exodia" and then i used focus blast and it was a sick burn because his exodia got obliterated
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Post by Hanky Panky Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:21 am

what the fuck get this yugioh shit out of my pokemon
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Post by tinning3 Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:06 am

Literally everything you find in the first page when you Google ""tinning3" is my stuff. Some of it I haven't touched in quite a while, as well.

so yay I picked a good unique username, but... maybe too unique.
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