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I come from NI, and I don't really mind whether I stay NI or reunite with the south (well except for the south being part of the Eurozone, which is something I have no faith in, but that's not anything to do with the south itself), the problem comes that either way, reunification or things staying the same, different people will be mad.

Still, it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. The main aggressors nowadays you mostly hear about are just those looking to stir up trouble for the sake of things. I'm actually pretty happy about the state of things in Ireland, provided you use your head and don't go saying things tot he wrong people.

also i Do grammar the good's,

i was on pokemon showdown and i was trying to teach this guy differential calculus and he had the gall to say "yawn i don't care about ur math"

seriously i find it hard to believe that people don't find math interesting. i think a lot of it has to do with closed-mindedness and general laziness for not wanting to take challenges or try new things.

Okay. I'm gonna need some context.

I mean I find entropy and p(whatever) hella interesting buy I don't just launch into a big maths spiel?

Hey cap'n: is history over there taught in an external way, or an internal, in terms of viewpoint? Do you cover the American revolution, India, Australia, Scotland etc or just the monarchy at home, the industrial revolution and the World Wars? Mostly I'm looking for bias. I read a history blog for a U.K education thingy last week and it was appallingly biased about the Irish famine. You know. "Aww yeah, it was bad. Very bad. Lots of death. Shame it happened. No potatoes. Then some bad irish guys got unjustly mad for some weird crazy evil reason and started committing horrendous murderous atrocities over here and were justly punished". That kind of bullshit. I'm obviously paraphrasing; the actual thing was much more insidious, but that was the underlying moral. I'd rather hope that a country as ancient and 'modern' as the UK would be able to accept its (recent) history and move on rather than just pretend it never happened. I may be naive.
Fact of the day: neither India nor Ireland have celebrated their Independence Centenary yet? Because it hasn't been a century yet.

d_what wrote:Okay. I'm gonna need some context.

I mean I find entropy and p(whatever) hella interesting buy I don't just launch into a big maths spiel?

maths are cool

it's a way to explain how the world works at its most basic level, to understand abstract concepts and model phenomena that the human mind could never possibly understand. math goes beyond just knowing all the rules and arithmetic and functions. it's about knowing why these things exist and how they work.

i think people have a bias towards math. they see complicated concepts and say to themselves that they could never do something like that, that their brain doesn't work like that. they're wrong. the entire point of math is that it explains things in a way that anybody can understand, because it was borne from the human mind for the use of the human mind.

it's the bane of people who don't ever want to face challenges, and the greatest thing for those who do. it separates the weak from the strong. when i hear someone talk about how they dislike math, all i can think about it how closed-minded they must be, and how great they could be if they solve all their mental problems standing in the way of understanding and excellence.

math is for everybody, except those who blindly denounce it.

Captain wrote:Thing is OJ, I like people to be able to see my nicknames because they're incredibly wittty and well thought out and I like to show my names off a little, so IDK if personally I agree with that...

Dude, I don't say hide ALL nicknames. I say that instead of being unable to name your mons with a name that triggers the censor, names that trigger the censor just aren't shown if you are batteling against another player.

Tell me, would you rather be completly unable to name your mon your incredibly witty name just because it contains a curse word in some other language or just have other player be unable to see it?

Also, math's great

Alternatively:

People hate math because there entire experience of math has been a mind boggling stress-take with no actual explanation of use or a difficulty level appropriate to their aptitude.

Over here people hate Irish and Math as standard and it's because most people can't teach either Irish or Math. I got lucky because Pokémon egg-hatching fueled my love of probability, but if not all of my guys would have been boring, compicated and stressful.

That makes much more sense OJ. I agree with that sentiment entirely.

D_What, idk, didn't study history much. Primary school we learn all the ancient civilisation stuff like Roman, Egyptians, Greeks etc. Think we do Vikings as well. Then secondary school one year is definitely WW1 and WW2, and then I think the others have industrialisation. Like I said I can't remember, I never really loved history.

Captain wrote:That makes much more sense OJ. I agree with that sentiment entirely.

 

I like math, it's comfy and easy to wear

I have no problem with it, but I can see where the hate comes from. A lot of it doesn't make an ounce of sense unless you spend literally years absorbing a base of knowledge, but once you have that knowledge, you can do some pretty fucking incredible things.

maybe it's just that math is being taught wrong

god knows the education system isn't perfect and there's no way to convince everybody that every area of study is awesome, even though they are

seriously, there's no subject in school that i don't enjoy doing, except for the work involved with doing it. i love learning about history but i just can't take the work load, so i had to drop it. on the other hand, i like doing math work so i don't mind getting a lot of homework. it's like solving puzzles. once you get into it, it has the same basic mental experience as playing your favorite flash game for hours on end.

maybe the reason other people don't like math as much as me is because they just can't enjoy doing the work, the same way i have trouble enjoying history homework. my only concerns are when people can't enjoy the work and therefore conclude that they don't like the subject, which is illogical and irritating.

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Whoah what misc returns

For the record i hate hate hate algebra, but i love love love geometry.

Hiya MathelBlast! How're ya keepin'?

invisibleTerrarium wrote:Whoah what misc returns

For the record i hate hate hate algebra, but i love love love geometry.

but geometry is basically just applied algebra

in fact, it is just applied algebra

how do you draw such a distinction between them

Misc, if you're alive, how come you're a ghost??

Woop! Misc has returned!

Gelatino wrote:

invisibleTerrarium wrote:Whoah what misc returns

For the record i hate hate hate algebra, but i love love love geometry.

but geometry is basically just applied algebra

in fact, it is just applied algebra

how do you draw such a distinction between them

I like shapes and visual stuff and angles, that all just makes sense to me
I hate equations and memorization and shit
Although it might just be that my geometry teacher is way better than my algebra teacher, or that im a visual learner

See, I was never really that fond of geometry, but I like algebra just fine. Mostly I just don't like drawing diagrams or graphs that much. Side note: I'm taking Differential Equations next semester. Because I can. Also because it satisfies a cluster requirement.

i'll have to do differential equations someday

right now in calc bc i'm doing taylor and maclaurin polynomials. pretty interesting stuff. it's one of those things that's just a really basic principle applied to something complex to make it easier. when you try to make a polynomial function look like a different function, it gets more similar the more complicated it gets, getting closer and closer to the function you're trying to model but never quite reaching it.

i like math its just can someone get these fuckin lambdas away from me just stupid eigenwhatevers that are used for stuff we havent gotten to yet just get back to determinants and such

you have a point

people shouldn't be all haughty about math, proud that they have a higher math education than other people and rubbing it in their faces by talking about it all the time. that's just a bit mean.

and yeah i realize that's basically what i'm doing, sorry

to be honest i forget what determinants are

That's the thingy with matrices that you can use to calculate the cross-products of vectors, among other things. I forget what they're actually useful for regarding matrices, though.

oh right, matrices

i haven't seen a matrix for a couple years. but eventually my physics class is gonna cover electromagnetic fields, which involves cross products, so i'll probably learn about that then.

if a determinant is zero the matrix isnt invertible so there is not a unique solution to a system of linear equations
also actually finding the inverse to solve the system requires determinants to find cofactors so thats what its used for
eigenvectors? fuck all thats what theyre used for