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Post by Captain on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:02 pm

OJ How can you say that South America is similar to New York though? I just don't understand it. "European" Pokemon fit in France because much of Europe has quite a similar culture. There are some clear big similarities in the way that European countries respond to eachother. Granted, there are differences of course. But when comparing the differences between North America and South America and countries within Europe, the former is clearly much bigger than the latter. So you can't say that a south american Pokemon "fits" in a region based off New York.

Oh, and I don't think that the regions are themed nearly as much as you say they are either. Granted, several location throughout Kalos's map seem to be linked to real world France locations, but apart form that, there's not much of a thematic link between France and Kalos that I can recall (maybe all the stuff about beauty? Idk). Unova is certainly not true though. It's literally just Catselia city that fits New York. The rest is clearly not the Big Apple.

Anyway.

My Competitive team is going well! I have Aegislash, Goodra, Mienshao, Gliscor and Gardevoir all fully evolved (although Gliscor and Mienshao still need to be lvl 50), all I need now is that Protean Greninja. Aegislash is fully EV trained, and due to the fact that I trained Gliscor and Mienshao on Trevanent hordes, their attack EVs are sorted too. I still need to EV train the rest though! I have Gliscor's Toxic Orb, Aegislash's Leftovers, Gardevoir's Gardevoirite and Goodra's Rocky Helmet, I just need an Assault Vest and a Life Orb now for the other two. I also need an ability capsule because Mienshao's ability is Inner Focus.

Once all that's done I will have a competitive team that is fully ready, though, which will be awesome.
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Post by OverlordJ on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:50 pm

I didn't say that South America is similar to New York, I said that a Pokemon inspired by something South American fits into the America/New York theme. And I don't see how I can't say that, it is my opinion that it fits the American theme. If some of you get away with calling Trevenant european because we have spooky forests and Gourgeist because Jack-O-Lantern originally came from Ireland then I can say that I feel South American stuff fits the America theme. And really if you think the different countries of Europe have a similar culture, well...

Lets not talk about that.

Also, by question about if the regions are themed after real world regions or not is answered quite shortly. I am fairly certain that the developer said that gen 5 was America themed while gen 6 is themed after France.
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:57 pm

Unova was based off of New York and to a lesser extent the United States in general. As much as we'd like to believe it sometimes, the US is only a fraction of what can accurately be called America. Extending the US to all of North America, much less Central and South America, is pretty inaccurate. Whether or not certain Pokémon are really "French" versus "European" is a different (although admittedly related) debate, and one that I'm not going to get involved in. And the Japanese regions were themed after their real-life counterparts, but it was a lot more subtle for a few reasons. First, since Game Freak is a Japanese company, the general flavor of the different regions of Japan is second-nature to them, so they would unconsciously assume that their audience would be familiar with Japanese culture too (the existence of Pokémon like Dunsparce, Farfetch'd, and Manaphy is this same thing happening). Second, while most people have a mental image of most countries as a whole, not many people are that familiar with the different regions within other countries (for instance, you must be far more familiar with the reputations of various areas of Germany than I am). You'll notice that Kalos was based off of France as a whole, and while Unova was only based off of New York, so much of American pop culture centers around New York that I wouldn't be surprised if that's mostly how the rest of the world views us.
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Post by OverlordJ on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:21 pm

Again, while the shape of the regions as well as some references to real life stuff was made, this wasn't done because they wanted to theme a certain region after Japan. But when they designed Unova and Kalos they specifically said they wanted to theme the region after the real world region.
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Post by Hytheter on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:28 pm

So uh
Fuck Super Training
I spent all yesterday afternoon breeding a Quint-Flawless Hidden Ability Whismur
Today I decided to start training it, and figured I might give Super Training a try
Then, without me knowing beforehand, the fucking tutorial forced a small but irritating amount of Defense EVs onto me, when what I want are SpA and Spe.
So now I have to somehow obtain a Pecha berry (which I have none of) so I can plant it next to an Oran Berry and hope they mutate into a Qualot Berry to get rid of these damn EVs.
Plus, its just really slow and grindy besides.

edit: Also, Unfezant looks remarkably unlike a Turkey
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Post by phantasmalDexterity on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:35 pm

There is a bag called Reset Bag that resets all stat changes made to that pokemon.
You can get it randomly while punching the normal bag.
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Post by Hytheter on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:37 pm

phantasmalDexterity wrote:There is a bag called Reset Bag that resets all stat changes made to that pokemon.
You can get it randomly while punching the normal bag.
I know, but
a) it resets all stats, and I've made some significant headway on SpA and Spe that I don't really want to redo, and
b) I'm pretty sure have found every single kind of bag except the reset bag. If I do find one maybe I'll use it, but I'd rather not...
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Post by phantasmalDexterity on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:41 pm

Ah, I see. Okay then. Do as you like.
I think it's much faster than waiting for 1day+ for berries, though. On the other hand, not like you're in a hurry.
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Post by Hytheter on Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:46 pm

Ah fuck do they take that long?
Ugh, I guess the bag it is

All I want is a functionally flawless, perfectly ev'd Scrappy Exploud. IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK??? Sad
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Post by OverlordJ on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:35 pm

Someone made a map of Kalos with stuff, don't know if you've seen that already:

Map:
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Post by NinteNerd on Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:19 pm

holy cow. that is awesome and immensely helpful, thanks muchly for the link.
[yes, muchly]
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Post by phantasmalDexterity on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:43 pm

Ok, so I finally progressed with the story, and I feel the need to ramble. Slightly longish.
From the 7th Gym to being about to leave Geosenge Town after finishing Team Flare. Time is about 75 hours.
Spoiler:

So, I resumed the game just before the 7th Gym. And I have to say, wow. Just wow. Freaking incredible. HellaJeffEffingIncredible.jpg. Instant favourite.
Olympia. You don't move out much, do you? Feeling okay there? I'm just gonna go then.
Again with the pillars man? Why are you even calling them mysterious? Every single time.
Woah, woah, woah. Hold on Lysandre. Don't be so subtle, people might not understand that you're the villain. :V
...
oooookay. That's a stupid plan. Let's go stop him Serena.
The Cafe, eh?
*facedesk like 20 times* Words cannot describe the pain I felt as GF started trolling me. I'm now absolutely sure they are doing this on purpose and they are shamelessly taunting me.I see, you learnt how to build Secret hideouts in Kanto. Well done. (Boss Battle Act 1)
Seriously? I though 5M was a joke.
Oh, hi Sina, Dexio. Why are you still wearing those masks?
...
Dudes. Dudes, you aren't fooling anybody.
Why do you scientist have those weird goggles?
Finally, Elevator Key.
Hey Giant man, good to see you again. Exposition time, you say?
Man, that was a kinda heartbreaking tale and really nicely drawn. I'm sad tumblr spoiled half of the tale to me though. The stones were unexpected though. (I'm really curious how the Y version of this part plays out, I will check youtube after this)
Wait, there's a third floor???? Why couldn't I access it earlier then?????? (okay, okay, I know why, but still)
Oh. I thought this was time for Boss Battle Act 2, but it's only the last scientist from Abomasnow's cavern. Fine.
Wait, I get to choose? Something is fishy. Let's save.
Yes, I knew it wouldn't matter. Oh well. To Geosenge Town then.
*After a short bicycle trip, arriving to Route 10.* God dammit, GF. (can't proceed because TF Grunts are in the way, and have to go around to the other entrance)
*After a slightly longer bicycle trip, arriving to Geosenge Town*
First thing to do? Take a picture with it. ... What? It's so sparky, I have to have a picture. (Btw, the Girl who can read the memory of your pokemon makes me melancholic everytime)
What do you mean a little boy shouldn't see things like that? POKEMON CRIES?  WHAT ARE YOU DOING, YOU MONSTERS??? Are you like tying them to the rocks?
Now, where could the Second Secret Hideout be? It couldn't be the suspicious stone building with a Grunt standing before it now, could it?
Hey Serena.
...
Lysandre. Oh god. What. You want to preserve the beauty of the world, and even say that pokemon are beautiful but you still want to destroy all of them just because some human are selfish? Also, I though you wanted to wipe out humanity as well, so who even would be selfish? I think you're missing a few wheels.
Boss Battle Act 2. Wait, if Serena is with me, why isn't this a double battle?
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. We're off to see the Legendary, the Wonderful Legendary of Kalos.
Going down a stairway, battling Grunts&Admins.
Hey, Shauna. Of course friends should stick together.
oooookay. So you're just gonna stand here then. No matter, no matter. (I wonder what would have happened if I say "But...")
A big door, with a lock. How we will open this.
Oh? Don't worry, Shauna conveniently has a magical mystical electronic one time use puzzle solving MacGuffin, we're saved.
Finally, now, what to do with this tree.
....
You have to be kidding me. How did you guys even get in here? Fine, let's battle. It's only four admins, after all.
That was easy. Yeah, go tell Lysandre. Not like he couldn't see it from up there.
Now let's push that bu... what the.
O
M
G







<3
Epic animation, followed by one of the best Legendary Music I've ever heard. (Small note: I battled with Ray, my Heliolisk, and it was perfect. He moved exactly to the rhythm of the music.)
Now let's try to catch him.
Wow. That was easy critical capture with a Time Ball in sixth turn with about 4% health left. Well, I guess that means I have to capture hir.
My god, Lysandre, what are you even wearing??? I mean was that three propeller thingy really necessary?
Fine. Boss Battle Act 3. The Real Thing.
It was cool.
What so you mean by eternal life?
RUUUN.
So it's over then. (also, I love how the houses are just lying there. So realistic.)
Hey ya all. Everybody is here? Cool.
"Who are these Dexio and Sina you're talking about? We're the masked heroes" And this point I just simply started laughing. You win, GF. I give up and admit, that I'm actually not bothered by this anymore. Because lampshade hanging ftw. In retrospect, I don't see what was so horrible about this.
Hey AZ. I hope I see you soon. Also, do you know something about the king of Unova? The one whose palace is under water now?
Ok, so it IS over, so now only thing left is to return to the seventh gym's town, and resume the journey.
But before that. I do have a new pokemon I can play Pokemon-amie with.
*saves adventure* Or at least I though I did, but when I loaded my save I was back just before I woke up Xerneas, so I did these last battles again, and I can now confirm that you do indeed have to capture hir (though I guess that was already obvious from what Lysandre said before the last battle) At least I could watch his waking up animation again + dat battle music

Pheew, that took like an hour to write.
Tl;dr: I actually like lampshade hanging.

Also, I love how they showed us the Pokemon Planet.

Also, would somebody trade Legendary with me for a second? I would like to have Yveltal in my Dex.


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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:47 pm

I'm willing to try later tonight, once I get time to actually make sure I can wi-fi. It's not going to be for several hours, though, so I understand if you don't want to wait.
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Post by d_what on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:40 pm

I gots Eviltal(ons). If you're on at the same time I'll temp-trade you for Xerneas. I've most of the 6th gen dex filled anyway; it's pretty short.

(Barbarble, Sylveon, Noiboat+Noiberm, Aegisilly, Aromatissue and Slumpoof left)

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Post by phantasmalDexterity on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:04 am

Thanks the offer guys. I will try to be online tonight.

Also, I feel the need to express my disappointment that Pokemon-amie doesn't affect competitive battling. Seriously GF? SERIOUSLY? It's not cool.
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Post by d_what on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:28 am

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I'm going to pretend you /didn't/  just suggest competitive battling become more gimmicky than it is and also a million times more luck-based.

Because that would be all kinds of stupid and you're not stupid.

Ergo that post doesn't exist.
Neither does this one.
/logic

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Post by OverlordJ on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:33 am

I think it was more about the neat sideeffect stuff, not the one that actually affects the gameplay.

You know, that stuff where they react differently and not the stuff where they are more likely to crit or evade and attack.
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Post by phantasmalDexterity on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:42 pm

I mainly meant what OJ said. It's just feels wrong that against a Gym Leader they all like "Looks at me with trusting eyes" then a minute later in online battle they are just "what will x do". Just wrong.
But I wouldn't actually mind luck playing a bigger role. Probably because I'm mainly a phlegmatic person.
Besides, it not being present in online battles makes all the neat pokemon-amie effects utterly pointless, because all they do is make an already easy game easier.

Best of both world: a rule set where all of pokemon-amie's effect are enabled and a rule set which is like the one now.
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Post by muffinz on Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:10 am

Alright, you know those super secret special pokèmon who someone figured out the names of a while back?
 
Well, someone managed to fiddle around with the game's code and make them appear! Here are some SUPER SECRET X-CLUSIVE LEAXX pictures of them!
Contains spoilerific images of hidden event legendaries. Open at your own risk.:

Personally, I like 'em. They are definately the only remaining new pokèmon, by the way, as bringing up data values higher than theirs just produces Bad Eggs. Don't worry, though, there are likely still some Megavolutions out there, as the hacker doesn't seem to have looked into those yet.
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:13 am

Nice. These designs actually look pretty good.
In-depth discussion of one of them:
But why does Diancie look like Carbink? They shouldn't be related, since legendaries don't have evolutions or preevolutions. Maybe it's another Phione thing, where breeding Diancie with a Ditto gets you Carbink eggs?
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Post by OverlordJ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:34 am

They look pretty neat

(But they don't look european at all, let alone french...)

What were their supposed types again?
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Post by NinteNerd on Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:52 am

phantasmalDexterity wrote:
Best of both world: a rule set where all of pokemon-amie's effect are enabled and a rule set which is like the one now.
amie has actual in-battle effects? huh. must not have messed with it enough.

and before muffinz posts the types i'm gonna guess.
brief opinions and stat-speculating in here too:

first is pretty obviously ice/fairy
fakedit: a second look brings to my attention its weird lower half. fairy/rock is likely as well.
second is rock/......fire?[based on the name]
fakedit2: looking closer at the big ring thing, i'm betting that it opens at the top in the special attack animation. it also reminds me of a circut kinda thing, with the bright blue marking and all. also plug feet. so rock/electric perhaps? i'd say electric/fire going by the name again, but something of that typing probably wouldn't look as bulky as that thing does.
last is steel?/psychic. odd markings+floaty parts almost certainly means psychic. got a bit of fairyness to it with the cheek blush, but i don't think we'd get more fairy/psychic.

diancie is nice-looking. i like it, but not quuiiiiittee enough to bother using it. yet. this will likely change over time as i see fanart and other things.
i honestly can't tell what i feel about volcanion. it's got really cool design elements to it, but they're like, put together the wrong way or something and it irks me.
hoopa is a very dumb name. but, a neat little 'mon. i'm a massive sucker for mischievous-looking things, so...ditto 
also it has horns, and horns are always cool.
i'm calling mine Jill, perhaps Jill-Dozer so people actually know what i'm referencing.

first two look very defensive, diancie being solid on both sides and a status/support pokemon with only passable attack stats and somewhat surprising speed for its looks[nothing incredibly spectacular though]; and volcanion being a hp/defense tank that hits hard on the special side... bit slow-lookin' though.
third almost looks like another "base-100-across-the-board" legend, which i honestly wouldn't mind at all.
i have a gut feeling hoopa's going to have an awesome shiny.

yes, i am going to guess all that after one screenshot.
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Post by invisibleTerrarium on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:15 am

I thought that image was going to have a joke in it, but was pleasantly surprised when it didn't.

Opinions:

Diancie, jeez. The fuck is up with your bottom half? You're like a mermaid, except your lower half is an ugly rock instead of a pretty fish tail.

Volcanion. I... I need some time to think about whether the big fat fuckin' ring detracts from whether i like him or not.

GIVE ME A HOOPA RIGHT FUCKING NOW OR I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL KILL SOMEONE
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Post by muffinz on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:35 am

The types are:
Spoiler:
Rock/Fairy, Fire/Water, and Psychic/Ghost, respectively.
It's kinda weird to have two unrelated Rock/Fairy types in one generation that are both grey-and-white gem-encrusted things, and Volcomplaining doesn't look very water-y, but they're all pretty cool type combos, I guess.
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Post by NinteNerd on Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:43 am

muffinz wrote:The types are:
Spoiler:
Rock/Fairy, Fire/Water, and Psychic/Ghost, respectively.
It's kinda weird to have two unrelated Rock/Fairy types in one generation that are both grey-and-white gem-encrusted things, and Volcomplaining doesn't look very water-y, but they're all pretty cool type combos, I guess.

Spoiler:

water/fire actually happened, wow. and before fire/grass, even.
i think i can kiiiiinda see it; needs moar blu. of all the ways they could have gone about this, this is the farthest from anything i would have guessed. i wonder if it's based on a myth?

floaty parts are also a ghost thing.
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