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If both were guaranteed to happen in sequence, which would you rather have released next?

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Post by ilikeoctopus on Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:36 pm

Wait

The preoder bonuses are literally just a keychain and some revives??

That's a real bummer :/ I'm kind of wondering what the thought process was of whoever came up with that, and whether they've actually played any of the games before...
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:23 pm

I mean, technically speaking it beats the Potions we've gotten for past releases, but it's still a huge slap in the face compared to what everyone else has been getting for ages now.
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Post by d_what on Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:49 pm

Pre-orders have been lame for a while now, haven't they? I've never done them, but I vaguely recall some release getting a neat figurine. Doesn't bother me anyway I suppose. I don't really see the point of pre-orders unless you know you'll be stuck for stock, which I've never been.

Question, is anyone else unable to see any Sharpedo? The banner guy and the thread notification guys aren't loading on my phone and now that I think about it it's been that way for a while. I just assumed I wasn't loading the pages fully. Maybe the URLs expired, I'll have to check.



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Given half a choice I'd go with USM to follow my preferred BW2 acronym. SuMo is terrible and breaks the commonly accepted pattern - so if the people saying SuMo are also saying USUM, well then, I guess I know on which side my toast is ultra buttered.


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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:58 pm

Come to think of it, I haven't seen the Sharpedo in a while, either. I wonder what happened.

I grabbed the Kanto hat, personally. It was the only era in which Ash actually had an excuse for being such an idiot. Although it does irritate me that you can only get one of them; why not have separate events for each and then do the Z-Crystal as its own thing at another time?

Hey, Iceland sounds pretty cool (no pun intended). Anything in particular you're hoping to go see?
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Post by d_what on Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:14 pm

Yes! Unfortunately they're all things I can't spell. I still haven't memorised how to pronounce Reykjavik. (Which is actually the one relevant word I can spell.) We (myself, two friends) are doing our own Golden Circle with a rented car; that's a Geyser field I think, and a waterfall, and a national park with interesting geographical features. That's most of one day. Most of another is going to be spent driving out to a camp; then we get collected on a special snow-shuttle which will take us over a glacier, to a point where we can *enter* said glacier. Looking forward to that. Boat trip from Reykjavik Harbour on at least one night in hopes of seeing the northern lights (forecast calls for clouds tho), and a brief trip to a lava cave. After that, mostly just city stuff. There's an indoor arcade/amusement park we want to check out and that's near both a Toys R Us (we don't get those in Europe) and an American wholesale retailer (likewise for obvious reasons, I'm hoping to stock up on American imported Ritz crackers). One friend also wants to see the phallological museum. I'm fine with that as long as it's on the record that it wasn't me that suggested it.

We're not doing the blue lagoon because it's prohibitively expensive AND it's not even natural. It's power plant runoff. I'm personally not doing any geothermic pools besides that because Icelandic culture dictates that bathers strip off and shower before entering and I'm way too body conscious to do that around either friends OR strangers. Oh yeah and we also have two board game stores we want to see. I'm not certain why. I think we feel that were the type of people that do that sort of thing, so we do it out of a kind of ethereal obligation to our imagined selves?

Edit: lookit I get to draft these with people I don't know yay
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Post by ilikeoctopus on Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:04 pm

Yep, no Sharpedo over here either. Didn't even notice it, either--I've got some serious change blindness or something happening.

I forgot about the Pikachu distro, and should probably do that, but mostly I'm worried about the Marshadow thing at GameStop in a week; the one near my university closed over the summer (how does a GameStop within walking distance of three universities go out of business??) and I'll need to find an alternative soonish.

Re: house and Iceland: neat and neat! Good luck with the house; I'm glad you finally got it sorted out or nearly sorted out. As for Iceland... all I know about it is what I've read from Stand Still Stay Silent, and that joke that Iceland is green and Greenland is icy. I'm not very good with the world geography thing, but from the pictures I just found on Google, man is it gorgeous, so obligatory take lots of pictures.

Okay wait part of that itinerary just made it into my brain, how do you have an indoor amusement park?! That's freaking neat.
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Post by Spark Eletran on Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:01 pm

the people championing USUM seem to be the ones who went with SuMo last time around, so their judgment is already suspect.

excuse me no

SuMo people are going with Ultra SuMo. because they're dumb. SM people are going with USUM or USM (personally i do USUM because it's real easy to write AND being smth u can vocalize is a bonus, but I do BW2 because the two requires you to let go of shift and that's a dealbreaker)

don't you spread this fucking slander i don't want to associate with SuMo people
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:25 pm

I was just going off of the Pokémon subreddit, since they were pushing SuMo hard and have apparently settled on USUM; I probably should have known better than to assume that it would be representative of the rest of the internet. But I'm still going with Ultra S&M to the end of time.
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Post by Spark Eletran on Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:13 pm

no it's just that the SuMo people got drowned out this time around. last time it was like 50% SuMo 50% SM, too.

SuMo was one thing, it was dumb but much more acceptable than Ultra SuMo - now nobody even pays ATTENTION to that suggestion because it's much too far. SM's growing back in usage on the subreddit, too, because people are seeing The Light.
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Post by d_what on Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:36 pm

Next splatfest: SuMo Vs. S&M (SM being the obvious superior choice it would be unfair to have it compete).


Topic; are you guys "photo people"? Do you take photos of things often, or do you find yourself thinking "whoops, I forgot that happened, I didn't take any photos of it" all too regularly?

Also topic, I miss OJ!

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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:03 pm

I'm definitely not a photo person. I hardly ever take photos of anything.
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Post by ilikeoctopus on Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:54 pm

I used to go way overboard in the "too many photos" direction and possibly overcompensated, so now I barely take any. But I'm a big fan of browsing through photo albums!

Also yeah, is OJ okay?
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Post by d_what on Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:38 am

I'm a photo person. Not always; it's been a gradual thing, but now I'm the dedicated "photo guy" of my group. But it's worth noting that I don't do it out of any sense of aesthetic or an interest in photography. I keep photos as reminders for good times and things I don't want to forget - even if it's just small things, like, "oh, that day was really sunny, it was great, or hey, remember this interesting rock? Or that time you found a courtroom, or the shredded snowman torso you built, or the lego museum, or that chocolate cake, or the inflatable unicorn, or the pudgy rescue pigeon, or the frost ferns from that cold snap, progress shots from the gift box you made..." in addition to anything else I want to share with the people I'm close to. It's become a repository for good memories, most of which I'd have forgotten by now. I think it's a nice habit to get into!

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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:46 pm

Well, we've got a new Japanese trailer. It appears to be showing off some of the changes to the plot, but since I don't know Japanese, I can only hazard a guess as to what's going on. Serebii's got a link to the video if you want to watch it yourself.

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The first thing that jumps out at me is that we seem to have yet a third group of evil people to worry about; they seem to match up with the silhouettes from that one poster. The footage also seems to back up my suspicion that Lillie's character arc is going to be mostly unchanged, because we got a shot with her in her starting outfit accompanied by Cosmog. That said, the trailer seems to be making things super dramatic; whether the games will live up to that remains to be seen.

EDIT because I don't want to double-post (not that it matters too much): We've got a new English trailer that's surprisingly not the translated version of yesterday's Japanese one, and man is it a doozy. Y'all know the drill.

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So apparently we're getting the ability to freely enter and explore Ultra Space at some point in the game; we'll be able to battle Ultra Beasts there, although it's not clear if it'll be unlimited random encounters or just a handful of predetermined ones. There are a bunch of different areas besides the cave we saw in S&M, including a city called the Ultra Megalopolis, which had its light stolen by Necrozma. The mysterious new group is called the Ultra Recon Squad, and one of the clips shown seemed to have them replacing the Aether Foundation in the original games' opening cutscene.

Finally, we have some more info on the new Ultra Beasts. First up, the reveal of UB Adhesive,
a strange small purple creature that's Poison-type; apparently the Ultra Recon Squad has one under their control. Next up, we learn the types of UB Burst and UB Assembly. UB Burst is Fire/Ghost and learns a new move, Mind Blown, which one-shot a Metagross but sacrificed half of the user's health. UB Assembly is Rock/Steel and didn't get a new move shown. All three get Beast Boost as their Ability, to nobody's surprise.
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Post by d_what on Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:47 am

Funny to think the games will be released soon. I keep thinking they'll be out next year.

Still thoroughly underwhelmed generally - you just know 95% of the game is going to play exactly the same despite the awesome cutscenes. But it did get me thinking: During region reruns, I always try to shake up my playthrough. E.G BW2, solo'd the game with just a Carvanha and a Growlithe; ORAS, did a random-egg-run. Even SM was kind of "different" since I capped myself at 4 Pokémon. This time I'm going back to BW2's playstyle, gonna breed some strong Pokémon I haven't used and trade them in whenever I get it.  

Problem is, my breeding collection is already pretty expansive. And this generation was *miserable* for adding competitive Pokémon that aren't effectively legendaries (which I hate, for the record. Like what we needed was more Landoruses and a game where the average Pokémon you can catch in the wild can't compete unless it's got a gimmick, fucking powercreep).

At the moment, I'm thinking Mimikyu, Larvesta, and Shellos, but Mimikyu  will struggle late game, Shellos is pretty passive, and Larvesta is frankly dead weight until probably postgame (and until I find the move relearner). I feel I need an offensive or tanky threat. But I can't think of something interesting that I can use in a proper team later that I haven't already trained?


Edit: oooh maybe Hawlucha?
Edit edit: noooo it's only good on rain teams and needs access to consumables
E3: perhaps Nidoking


Edit: LOL I was busy wonder-trading my Mimikyu spitbacks, and got a Gastrodon back... No biggie, I thought, since you can catch them in the wild. But nope! This is a fully trained level 50 Gastrodon with perfect IVs/nature/ability, HAH what are the odds!


Edit edit edit edit: imma gonna call Mimikyu "Parian", Shellos "Gregor", Larvesta "Khepri" and idk what to call Nidoran yet because my foray through this particular set of themed names has only just begun


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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:09 pm

Wonder Trade can sometimes produce some great results. Too bad it's so clogged with early-route species.
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:53 pm

Time for another batch of Coro Coro leaks! It's not much for now, but there might be more on its way.

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First up, Solgaleo and Lunala (and Necrozma's new forms) are getting unique Z-moves; no details about what they do yet. Both new Necrozma forms will have Prism Armor as their Ability, and Dusk Mane Necrozma is getting a new move called Photon Geyser.

Next, some interesting tidbits regarding the Rotom Dex.
Apparently, by interacting with it a lot, you'll be able to get perks like boosted experience, items, and even the ability to use Z-moves more than once per battle; I assume this won't carry over to matches against other players, but there's no explicit confirmation one way or the other.
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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:05 pm

And now we've got an English trailer with more details on the Coro Coro info.

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We'll do this in the same order as last time. Solgaleo and Lunala's new Z-Moves have been dubbed Searing Sunraze Smash and Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom, respectively; both of them ignore the target's Ability,
and their animations have to be seen to be believed.
Photon Geyser can be used by both Dusk Mane Necrozma and Dawn Wings Necrozma, and odds are good Necrozma's normal form can use it too; apparently it's guaranteed to use the higher of your Attack and Special Attack.

Now for the Rotom Dex. Apparently, by interacting with it,
you can alter its personality somewhat; I'm not holding my breath for anything all that significant, but it's a nice touch.
Once you and Rotom are close enough, you can play the Roto Loto to gain special consumable items with O-Power effects; no details on how often you can do this or whether there's any way to share the effects with other players like you could with O-Powers, but it appears there are no longer different strength levels for the effects. Finally, the trailer suggests that getting extra Z-moves in battle is something you have to manually trigger, and the wording strongly implies that you can only do it once per battle.
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Post by d_what on Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:35 am

invisibleTerrarium wrote:i'm a real adult boy today

'Grats! With great power comes great responsibility. Both are represented by a ceremonial shaving razor which you are now obliged to purchase, now that you are officially A Man. It's okay though, you can claim the cost as a tax expense if it's under 7 dollars.

That's another thing, now that you're an adult, you have to spend at least 57.3% of your time talking about taxes. It's a law, you can read about it in the Adult Handbook. Not the R-rated one, that one's unrelated. But you can read that too for tips.

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Post by d_what on Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:18 pm

Random topic.

Since I've found the current OU metagame (VGC doubles goes without saying) full of legendary-style BSTs and movepools, and therefore boring, (*see below), I've wondered how well I could do defaulting to classic I-battle-with-my-favourites style. Especially against people doing the same. Which I guess... is everyone that doesn't play competitively?

So, instead, "people who play competitively or can do so using their favourites, at max strength, regardless of team synergy or general viability", is the market I'm shooting for.

Mine would probably end up being MSwampert/Scizor/Talonflame/Reuniclus/Dragalge, and probably Minior if I have to choose a sixth. What would everyone else use, if we were to do a tourney? [Disclaimer: we don't have the numbers, the interest, or the organisational skills to do a tourney. But I'm interested all the same.]




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it's a personal thing - I don't mind legendaries being good, but if after a given generation debuts if there's 10 viable and not-banned threats added to a metagame, and only 2 of those are non-events/legends [Toxapex, debatably Mimikyu], there's a problem. Unless the real moral of Pokemon is "in order to be a great trainer, ignore everything that doesn't require a Master Ball to catch".


For those curious, counting from S-to-B- rank currently, the only new Pokemon on the list are Toxapex and Mimikyu, in addition to Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapu Fini, Tapu Bulu, (jesus I hope these guys get slaughtered in gen 8, subtlety in strength was clearly not the design goal), Ash-Greninja, Magearna, Celesteela, and Kartana. You can make a case for Pelipper counting towards the former because Drizzle made it a distinctly new Pokemon usage-wise, but if that's the case, then you have to add Zygarde to the latter because of Thousand Arrows. It's poor pickings. Marshadow and Pheromosa both got the hammer. You can make a case for Flynium Z making Hawlucha viable, but it's a stretch.

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Post by cephalopodAscendant on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:21 pm

I totally get where you're coming from. The metagame hasn't felt healthy for a while now. Smogon tries their best, but when GameFreak doesn't put any thought into balance, there's only so much that can be done; VGC, on the other hand, was a lost cause from the start.

Anyways, for my team, I think I'd have to go with Alolan Muk, Metagross, Swampert, Mimikyu, Magmortar, and Serperior. And before you ask, I'd just be picking which Mega to use on a whim.
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Post by ilikeoctopus on Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:58 am

Happy belated birthday, iT! Being an adult, uh, groceries and cooking. Yes.

I haven't touched Smogon in ages, besides briefly spectating on showdown a few times last year--most of my video gaming experience has been sidetracked by Rimworld and Mario Kart. So I guess I have a good start in ignoring the current scene entirely when constructing this hypothetical team: Alakazam/Metagross/Reuniclus/Aggron/Manectric/Araquanid

I'm also slapping this together at 1am so judgment here can be taken with a grain of salt. I might suddenly feel differently tomorrow.
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Post by d_what on Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:03 am

Not nearly enough cephalopods, guys. You should be ashamed /s

I might swap Scizor and Swampert around mega-wise. Scizor's decent by itself whereas Swampert needs help, but on the other hand, MScizor is baller and I can use regular Swampert to set rocks. Idk. (also psssst heads up Metagrossite was suspected and banned a few months ago... it was only a matter of time though, it was suspect worthy last gen and it only got better this time around)

EDIT: I guess we can always do what Cynthia and co. do in the battle tree - have several sets for different Pokemon and swap them around freely. Out of curiosity - of the "max power" Pokemon you guys have said, how many do you actually own and have trained/bred to a high standard? I'm short a Relaxed Swampert and any Minior.

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